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To think if you have an assistance dog....

229 replies

MeggyMooAndTinkerToo · 09/05/2015 22:18

That people who visit your home need to understand they cannot demand you put them in another room or outside?

I have an assistance dog (she's a hearing dog) and my constant companion. DD's boyfriends mother came to collect some hay from us tonight. She KNEW about the dog yet felt the need to comment "Oh, does it have to be in the livingroom?" "Can't you put it out?" This is the first time I've met the woman. She kept talking to DD and DH as if I wasnt there asking THEM if they could put Ruby out. DD was mortified and DH said "no I won't put Ruby out she stays with Meggy constantly, anyway ask Meggy not us." She made her excuses and then left. I feel like some sort of non existent being Angry as she barely acknowledged me. I can honestly say I've never been in a situation like this before.

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FanFuckingTastic · 25/05/2015 17:16

And that's with me missing out - Managing therapy or monitoring a health condition.

StillFrankie · 25/05/2015 17:17

Yes proud leave the thread. But before you do, seeing as you only just mentioned having autism, I don't know if you were aware of autism assistance dogs?

Sallystyle · 25/05/2015 17:31

Proud mentioned her autism in her post to you, she made it quite clear that she has autism before you ridiculed her.

As for your reply to me? why are you linking me to PIP to try to prove that phobias can't be classed as a disability?

ExitPursuedByABear · 25/05/2015 17:32

What a peculiar thread Confused

Meggy How does your gorgeous dog let you know there is traffic behind you when you are riding? I was wondering how you coped as a deaf rider as I always think your ears are an important part of road safety.

misses point of thread

TenerifeSea · 25/05/2015 17:38

There are some posts on here which are veering slightly towards the ugly territory of top trumps. Of course phobias are valid and should be taken into consideration. I just cannot imagine asking someone to effectively 'remove their ears', however politely and however genuine my own disability may be.

SoleSource · 25/05/2015 17:57

Yanbu

Awwww beautiful, soft, shiny, black, cute doggy.

Mine!

chippednailvarnish · 25/05/2015 18:02

Awwww beautiful, soft, shiny, black, cute doggy...

You missed out constant companion, fire alarm hearing, telephone ringing, baby crying, traffic alerting, notification doggy Wink

MeggyMooAndTinkerToo · 25/05/2015 18:06

exit. I only ride one of my horses out hacking whose been used to dogs all his life. Ruby lies down with her head up to signal danger to me if she hears a siren or an alarm. Coming out with me hacking was an extension of her soundwork training. If she hears an engine she lies down with her chin on the ground so I know something is coming. She only does it if I'm actually riding though. It's not something all hearing dogs are taught and was a bit of an experiment. To be fair, I only ride on really quiet country roads. Most local people know me and my bright pink tabard as well as the horses hi viz that has deaf rider emblazoned all over it. I'm also always checking behind me anyway.

DD normally comes hacking with me or DH walks while I ride. It's only the odd occasion I go out on the roads myself as I tend to stick to our fields much to DH's disgust or the arena.

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Gabilan · 25/05/2015 18:06

"I was wondering how you coped as a deaf rider as I always think your ears are an important part of road safety."

My hearing is fine as human hearing goes but my horse's hearing is better. If he hears a car coming he won't move out at a junction. I've learned that, whether or not I can hear anything, he can and he's not napping. I often ride on single track roads and if, as we near a passing place, he hears a vehicle he stays in the passing place. On wider roads if I'm side by side with another horse he'll drop back behind it as soon as he hears a vehicle approach. I've never taught deliberately taught him this. Some of it is conditioning over time, some of it is his fear of traffic - before I got him he had an accident on the road.

As a cyclist and horse rider I've also noticed that horses generally hear bikes well before their riders do and know full well they're there. Then the rider jumps at the bike, the horse jumps because the rider does and the rider says "he's frightened of bikes". No, no he really isn't. You are, and you're not reading his signals.

Anyway, that really is a digression but at least it isn't Top Trumps I Win on Points.

SoleSource · 25/05/2015 18:20

chipped oops Grin

DS is blind and he is eligible for a guide dog but I know DS wouldn't be interested in the dog because of his other disabilities.

Topseyt · 25/05/2015 18:49

Awww, to take the thread back closer to something approaching what it was supposed to be, what a lovely picture of Ruby. Smile

I have a labrador. A yellow one, but he is a pet, not an assistance dog. Love labs.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to be discussing how to deal with your DD's potential future MIL rather than playing the game of "trumps".

My mother has a cousin who became almost entirely deaf as a result of meningitis when she was a student. There were no "hearing dogs" then as it was all many years ago, or maybe she would have benefited. She tended to rely a lot on her husband and her three daughters when they were in, and on her parents when they were around.

She had learned to be a fluent lip-reader by the time I knew her. Even as a small child I soon worked out (with just minor help from both of our families) how to have a normal conversation with her, and that I could and should speak directly to her, she would answer for herself. I was very young though.

I think this woman is just rude. Tell her directly if you have to.

vvega · 25/05/2015 19:01

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ProudAS · 25/05/2015 19:23

I don't know anyone with autism who has an AD although a lot of people with the condition have an affinity with animals and pet ownership is of particular benefit. I assume you are talking emotional support dogs Frankie.

StillFrankie · 25/05/2015 19:40

No I'm talking autism support dogs. They aren't pets. They are classed as assistance dogs with the same rights as my own hearing dog.

catsrus · 25/05/2015 19:57

I have two friends with hearing dogs, I've also got a fair amount of experience watching people interact with them and with a family member in a wheelchair. Phobias are debilitating but they are fixable. Being deaf or in a wheelchair, generally, is not.

The rudeness of the boyfriends mother is terrible OP. I do hope you have a trouble free evening - luckily the boy friend sounds lovely and that's the crucial thing, lots of us have crosses to bear wrt family members I just leaned on two I love dearly who voted UKIP

chippednailvarnish · 28/05/2015 18:42

When's the party OP? Sending you good vibes!

AMaleOfGreatMaleness · 28/05/2015 19:34

"I have no idea what, but she did something to unsettle Ruby the last time she was here. I'm afraid you'll have to put her outside as I can't afford to have Ruby upset in her own home."

MeggyMooAndTinkerToo · 28/05/2015 19:42

It's tomorrow Grin. I'll post an update after the party.

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chippednailvarnish · 28/05/2015 20:40

I'm sadly over invested in this thread, hope it goes well Wink

MiscellaneousAssortment · 29/05/2015 12:54

Ooh good luck. Stand your ground and if it amuses you do some gentle teasing of the ridiculous woman!

wannaBe · 29/05/2015 13:50

have just read through this entire thread, and while I am always Hmm when someone comes on to a perfectly reasonable thread and starts saying things like "ah, but I have a phobia/allergy and as such wouldn't be able to be in the same room as....." because while there are always exceptions, on the whole ignorance and rudeness are born out of, well, ignorance and rudeness and nothing else, I do think that given the increasing types of different assistance dogs now, it can be impossible to know which dogs are crucial to the op's every day independence/confidence and which have a specific role iyswim.

I also think that given the amount of prejudice/ignorance that people with assistance dogs have to face out there in public, it is a natural reaction to consider one's home as the one place where the dog can go unchallenged at all times.

Restaurant and taxi refusals are on the increase, despite the laws on these matters. It is incredibly frustrating when going into a restaurant to be told "sorry, no dogs, I may have customers with allergies," when the law clearly protects the dog, and it will be lying on the floor anyway with no proximity to the customer with allergies (assuming there actually is one). I have been a guide dog owner now for eighteen years, and I've had more battles with restaurants in the past two years than ever before. And while nine times out of ten my reiterating the law combined with producing my assistance dog ID does mean that I get to eat there, people need to consider just how degrading and humiliating it is to have to fight for the right to go somewhere that everyone else takes for granted just because I happen to have a disability and wish to live a normal, independent life.

Now, guide dogs are not a crucial part of my independence when at home. They are guide dogs, trained to guide when outside of the home, when at home they are off lead, off harness and are to all intents and purposes pets. However, this is the one place where I make the rules as to where my dog does and doesn't go, and IMO consideration does work both ways to an extent.

When off lead my dog can be excitable, not because he's out of control but because he's happy, so he may run to the door or wag his tail furiously, and someone with a genuine dog phobia may find that disconcerting. If it was someone I know well then I would most likely confine our visit to the kitchen since the dog is not allowed in there. But I would encourage the phobic person to seek help to overcome their phobia, because they will encounter assistance dogs when out and about, in shops, restaurants, public places, even the school playground, and in those situations the owner has no obligation to keep the dog away just because someone has a phobia. In those instances it is the person with the phobia who would have to make the adjustment and not be in proximity to the dog. And phobias can be treated, disabilities cannot.

WRT the woman in the op though, given her attitude i would make no allowances for her what so ever. Grin

some years back I had a ring at the doorbell, I had my ILs staying who had two guide dogs in their own right. I had a guide dog and a retired guide dog, and they all ran to the door on mass. They were all under control, just standing around me when I opened the door, but I was amused when the woman standing on the other side began to talk.... "um... err... um ... we're ... err.... Jahova's witnesses." Grin I think the presence of four dogs at the door when I opened it went some way to ensuring they never came back...

StillFrankie · 29/05/2015 14:22

very good post wannaBe

SauvignonBlanche · 29/05/2015 16:15

Just wondering, can you train a guide dog to see off Jehovah's Witnesses and double glazing salesmen, wannaBe? Wink

NoIsNotACompleteSentence · 29/05/2015 16:48

wannaBe, do you mind me asking what your reaction would be, if someone asked you to put your assistance dog out, in your own home?

I know the earlier poster said they would request this politely with no obligation, but my instinct is that even asking is a bit insensitive and ill mannered (for want of a better word)?

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