To think you shouldn't insult someone just because they voted differently to you?

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It feels like a lot of you would feel more at home in a dictatorship.

I've seen people being called stupid, selfish etc just because they decided to vote differently

I don't care who anyone voted for. I do care that we are a nation that allows everyone to vote for who they want without the threat of violence.

It's because of this.

Permanently, that doesn't mean that the other two thirds want a Labour government.

The right wing parties with Tories, UKIP and the DUP make up over 50% of the votes cast. And presumably almost all of them would prefer a right wing party to a Labour one. Many Lib Dem voters would too and they made up 8%. Many non-voters aren't interested or don't care. But it's highly likely that much more of the electorate are happy with this outcome than they would be with a Labour government.

Anyway, last week Labour supporters were saying that if the Tories didn't get a majority even if Labour got less seats and less votes they would force the Tories out by allying with the SNP to put Ed in Downing Street.

I'm not quite sure how last week it was fair for a party that didn't even get the most votes to form a government and this week it's not okay for the party who won the most votes to form a government because they should be required to get more votes than that even. It's double standards and just looking for a reason to whinge because Labour lost.

Anyway, it was much the same situation in 2005 when Labour won, and they didn't give it up on principle.

People will die as a result of this election. Many many more will suffer. I think it's selfish not to care about them.

I'm fortunate. We're white, married, straight, in a good position financially and have good support. We have a strong relationship, there is no dv, we are healthy, well educated and have no social issues. The results of this election won't damage us to any meaningful extent.

We are the lucky ones. However we care about other people and I'm devastated that this has happened because people are so short sighted, judgemental, selfish and nasty.

Walked round a city centre in the evening recently? Noticed how many more people are sleeping rough? That is a direct consequence of the last five years. Those people are collateral damage. If you vote for that you are selfish, lets not pretend otherwise.

And no. I don't believe things would have been much better under labour. They wouldn't have got worse though. Now things will. And if you voted for that shame on you.

Calm the fuck down everyone!

OP, YANBU.

I like the fact we all have differing opinions and can have good and heated debate with good friends who have vastly different views. BUT I think nasty and vicious comment is out of order. No one should be made to feel bad or intimidated for the way they voted.

We live in a democracy and what the majority wanted happened, even if we had proportional representation the majority party would have been the same.

There is no need for all the melodrama and nastiness that has been and is still going on.

I know someone who has only recently become interested in politics (mainly due to the influence of a new DP). They have gone completely OTT about it and even talked down to their DM, speaking to her like you would a good dog, to congratulate her on not voting for the party they didn't like. This I think is ludicrous, especially when the DM had done a lot of research and made a considered decision rather than just listening to one side. That did piss me off.

I love people with strong opinions and passion but some of the sheer nastiness that has been flying about is just rude and uncalled for.

Aermingers

No shit, Sherlock!

But I think you have entirely missed the point of my post, haven't you! I was merely pointing out that a majority of the population did not vote Tory, contrary to what several people here think. Pointing out that there are many peope on here merrily debating an issue of which they have a less than basic understanding.

Shame that you have spent time and effort massively overthinking my post.

Jengnr

Walked around a city centre in the evening recently? Noticed how many more people are sleeping rough

I grew up in a very deprived city, a labour stronghold that has kept its labour mp this election. The schools were dire, most buildings along the main street were dilapidated and empty, shops were boarded up, we had no dedicated maternity hospital and no walk in health centres or children's centres. There were also always homeless people littered all through the town centre, and people on drugs at every bus stop. That was under a Labour government.

However in the last five years, new businesses and shops have appeared in the run down buildings, run by all different types of people, we have a huge maternity hospital on a large site that is accessible to all, schools have started to get the first 'good' and 'Outstanding' ofstead reports in years, new schools, health clinics, and children's centres have appeared and there are considerably less homeless people on the streets at night and day.

Under the last government, the dire housing estate that was blighted by crime has had a funding injection and new houses have appeared, old ones restored and filled by tenants.

Now I'm not saying the tories are perfect, but can you blame me and many others in my area who have witnessed this massive bout of economic growth in just 5 years, when the area was so grim before, to think that maybe a tory vote was good for this city?

There are 65 million souls in this country. Each and every one of them counts and has value.

You could be mistaken that on MN you only matter if you are poor or disabled, that the average hard worker is irrelevant.

I cast my vote for the good of the majority of those 64 million. No Govt can please all.

The majority of people in this country do better with a strong economy , good schools and busy shops.

So, far from being a selfish cunty vote, voting for the good of the majority is quite the reverse.

Agree with selfishcuntydupe totally and I did the same thing when I cast my vote.

Oh, sorry Permanently, I thought you were trying to make a point. Didn't realise you were just patronising people.

Selfish cunty dupe has Osborne's gift for numbers I see.

Do expand Tonde please?

I disagree with Tory voters but can still engage with them without insulting them. IMO UKIP voters are just stupid and ignorant and I couldn't dismiss that about someone and would always view them that way in my head.

Are you picking up on the fact that I said 65 and 64? I am never quite sure which number it is so hav eput both.

I am completetly honoured, however to be compared with Osborne - the man who has given us the lowest unemplyment in a generation and the fastest growing economy in the West bar the US. .

Wow the goady fuckers have played a blinder on MN

Voting for the majority while leaving a vulnerable minority to struggle is indeed selfish and cunty.

You rationalise a lot out of a typo.

"Agree with selfishcuntydupe totally"

Oh how apt.

Voting is a complex issue, I don't think most of those people who voted Conservative did so because they hate/don't care about the poor. They might have thought that the economy was safer with the tories or wanted a referendum on EU membership. I don't think it's ok to verbally abuse people because they voted differently to you but thankfully we live in a democracy and people are allowed to vote for who they want and to have freedom of speech within the boundaries of the law.

It's not just that people have differing opinions. If that's all it was then the complaining tory voters would have a point.

It's that electing this government will result in poverty and suffering for many, many people, including some of the most vulnerable in our society, and even death for some.

But when we try to explain this we're met with comments like this from the first page

"And this tired old rhetoric is another reason people keep quiet.

Tired of being called "babykiller" by Leftists who use any old bullshit to further "the cause"....."

The thing is, though, it's not bullshit, I wish it was.

it's insulting and frustrating when we try to explain what is really happening to people as a result of Tory policy, and are met with platitudes like this.

If someone told me the policies of the party I voted for were responsible for people suffering and dying i'd take it seriously and want to check it out, not glibly brush away the suffering of others.

It's frankly insulting that people are complaining about their voting choices being questioned, when those choices will cause such suffering and hardship for others, and possibly even yourselves too.

No, Aermingers - not patronising people, just patronising you, dear.

Hope that clears up any confusion for you.

Voting for the majority while leaving a vulnerable minority to struggle is indeed selfish and cunty.

Yes Fanjo, the goady fuckers have 'played a blinder' on MN haven't they? :D

And unlike places like Saudi Arabia, our government doesn't kill anybody.
The tories don't pull people out onto the street and stone them to death, or publicly behead them for being homosexual. Some people need to calm the fuck down.

Instead of trying to get one over on people you have never met on anonymous forums, why don't you get out there and actually, physically help people, instead of sitting in your armchair thinking you have a clear conscious just because you voted left. There were problems in this country before the tories and there are problems still now.

Its not the governments job to fix everyone's problems. Its are just made up of people, just like society.

Well said peedoff.

Armchair warriors. Pah!

For those who believe the Tories are evil incarnate who'll kill endless vulnerable people, can I just point out that if Labour had bankrupted the country ("there's no money left" remember?) there wouldn't have been much chance of supporting anyone

"unlike places like Saudi Arabia, our government doesn't kill anybody.
The tories don't pull people out onto the street and stone them to death, or publicly behead them for being homosexual"

No, but still their policies are responsible for many thousands of people suffering and even some dying.

Do you accept this?