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about SIL breastfeeding issue? Wedding related!

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SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 13:08

I'm getting married in 5 weeks and there'll be 6 children at the wedding - 2 small babies and 4 toddlers. Next to the room where we're getting married is another room they use for smaller ceremonies, I asked if they could leave the door open for this in case people need to take out crying/tantrumming children (including my own 4yo DS!). They've agreed and will put sofas and a toy box in the room.

We were at my OH's parents at the weekend and his DB and wife were there. They are bringing their 2 children, our niece (4 months) and nephew (3yo) to the wedding. I told her about the room and said that I can get them sat near it just in case they need to pop out and settle or feed them (she's breastfeeding both). She said that if they need to feed she can just pull her dress down as its low cut, but I said she'll probably be more comfortable in the room as the seats are squahsed close together and may incur a lot of faffing. I've said the same to my cousin who is bring her 2 month old, who is bottle fed (and told SIL-to-be this).

Can I state at this point I'm very pro-breastfeeding, i breastfed DS until he was 2 years old, often in public, and would never ever adopy a 'there's a time and a place' attitude - however having breastfed a child of varying ages I know what a faff it can be especially when they're across your lap when someone is right next to you, so I gave the room idea as I thought it would be more comfortable for them and the children.

This morning OH has received the following email from his DB (names changed obviously):

Hi DB
Laura (SIL-to-be) and I have been discussing the issue of breastfeeding at your wedding and the fact she's been asked to go into another room if she needs to feed during the ceremony. I have to say I'm disappointed in you both as I thought you were pro-breastfeeding. Laura feels very vicitimised by this and we suspect it's because other guests may feel uncomfortable. In which case that's their issue, if they are offended by breasts being used for their natural function then they are welcome to turn their heads. Or, if it's like SilverSalmon says, and it's just for our comfort, we believe it would be easier to just get the children latched on rather than make the fuss of getting up and leaving the room.

I think it may be a good time to also mention that, as you know, Laura tandem feeds and because DS is still feeding when she latches DD on he usually comes up asking for some too. Meaning that it's highly likely that she'll need to tandem feed at various points during the day. We're happy with this and she has chosen a tandem-feeding friendly dress for this reason. Laura is not prepared to be shoved into a side room like she's doing something sordid, she wants to be part of the day too. So wether it be during the ceremony, dinner, speeches etc, she will need to tandem feed and is not prepared to leave the room to do it. I have to put the comfort and needs of my wife and children first. If you're not happy with this arrangement I'm afraid we won't be able to come - I'm not having any of us penalised because of our feeding choices. None of us would enjoy a day where the children and Laura are constantly seperate from me and the feeding is non-negotiable. It's up to you 2 but can you let us know asap and then we do things like cancel the hotel room and return our outfits. I hope you understand our point of view, I don't want to fall out with you but I didn't think breastfeeding would be such an issue!"

So mumsnet AIBU to be upset about this? I genuinely thought I was being helpful when I offered a side room for the ceremony. Help!

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Seffina · 05/05/2015 15:08

But why is it better for her to cause what would be more disruption, by standing up and taking a 3 year old and a probably crying 4 month old to a room, than just staying in her seat and quietly feeding both her children?

The wedding isn't disturbed and anybody who isn't sat right next to them who notices her feeding aren't paying enough attention to the actual wedding anyway!

Canyouforgiveher · 05/05/2015 15:08

Email him back saying:

OP was only mentioning the room set aside for children in case you were interested. Neither of us give a hoot where or when or in front of whom Laura feeds the baby. Cheers.

Seffina · 05/05/2015 15:10

BlackeyedSusan OP did admit that yes, she would prefer her SIL to feed the 3 year old away from the main room, so whether it's a low opinion or not, she was right to assume that.

I get your point though.

HamishBamish · 05/05/2015 15:10

As others have said, just clarify that you were only offering her the use of the room and not insisting she use it.

However, I do think they were very quick to take offence. I tandem fed, although DS1 was just over 2, but there's no way I would have expected to do so during a wedding ceremony. A tiny baby is different, but a 3yo should certainly be able to wait.

leedy · 05/05/2015 15:11

"it’s not really on to use someone’s wedding ceremony as a stage to promote your opinions."

But why is just feeding a toddler "promoting your opinions" or "making things all about you" or "because you feel strongly about it"? Why can't it be just comforting/feeding the toddler (and possibly preventing them running amok/shrieking "BUT I WANT MILK TIME NOW MAMA" etc. during the occasion). A lot of previous posts seem to be suggesting that the only reason she'd feed a toddler in public is to make sure everyone knows she's BREASTFEEDING A TODDLER, YES, LOOK AT ME. And yes, she does seem a bit drama llama, but I'd hate to think that anyone would think I was feeding DS2 as some sort of self-promoting "statement", possibly forcing my nipple into his mouth against his will because of my zealous misison. Because, hey, that's the only reason someone would - ick - do THAT, eh?

Happening · 05/05/2015 15:21

Op YABVU
You say you don't have a problem with her breastfeeding / tandem feeding - but then say you'd prefer her not to. If other guests have a problem with it - that is THEIR problem, not yours

Offering a room was fine. Making it clear she was expected to use it, rather than being available if wanted, is very unreasonable

FishWithABicycle · 05/05/2015 15:21

I think your DH's suggested reply is spot-on: making it clear this was a misunderstanding, the separate room is for the use of anyone who wants to but no-one is going to be forced in there for breastfeeding, anyone is welcome to breastfeed as many children as they like, of any age, wherever they like.

SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 15:22

FWIW I never once had a negative comment when BF my toddler in public - but I'm very aware that's just pot luck. If they do come and she tandem feeds and it gets mentioned to me or OH, we'll tell them to pipe down and look away. But I would still she rather didn't so that we're not in that situation on our wedding day. I don't think that's unreasoanble.

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SolidGoldBrass · 05/05/2015 15:22

Oh FFS of course insisting on breast-feeding a three-year-old in public is being an attention-seeking hippy twat. Toddlers do not need BF in the first place. Are they farty vegans and anti-vaxxers as well. or have they got a different set of look-at-me beliefs that they're going to bring to your wedding once the babies issue is settled?

Gileswithachainsaw · 05/05/2015 15:23

No leedy it's the conclusion due to the dramatic OTT email that's makes me think it's all attention seeking g bollocks. Most others would just get on with it and politely say thanks for the offer.

Topseyt · 05/05/2015 15:25

"Thank you for your extremely pompous email

The side room is available for the convenience of all parents and young children if needed for whatever reason. It will contain seating and toys and was an attempt by us to be considerate towards parents of small children

As for where Laura feeds, she can whip her tits out on the altar if she wishes".

I'd be rather tempted to send that as a response but know it would be unwise.

I didn't breastfeed, but I do support other women's right to do so whenever and wherever they need to. It doesn't offend me in any way.

OP, I think you laboured your point a little too much. You made the point that the room was there if required and it would probably have been best to have left it at that.

If there are toys and other attractions in the side room for children anyway then it is possible that Laura's toddler may well drag his mum and dad in there anyway, and you can afford yourself a wry smile.

I think that providing a room for parents to amuse or settle their children (in whatever way needed) is a thoughtful thing to do.

Have Laura and BIL yet had to cope with their children at a wedding or similar do? If this is the first time then it may be an eye-opener for them, and they may yet end up eating their words.

Leave them to it. In the end, what will be will be.

Happening · 05/05/2015 15:28

But just because it is your wedding day, doesn't make it your problem. Are you planning to control behaviour of all your guests? Eg I am in no way pro smoking, but if a guest wanted to smoke at my wedding (outside, obviously - legally) I wouldn't like it but it would be no e of my business to stop them.

Heels99 · 05/05/2015 15:28

I bet Laura is delighted about this because it gives her a chance to get on her high horse and be indignant about feeding and cause a fuss. She will be loving the drama.

SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 15:30

Happening - I never said she couldn't breastfeed. This email was in response to me telling her about the room. I'm trying to give parents the option of a convenient area if they need to leave during the ceremony - how the hell is that controlling the behaviour of my guests?!

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Icimoi · 05/05/2015 15:30

OP, I think you husband's response is OK except I'd leave out the bit about putting them into a chair at the end of a row - they're perfectly capable of taking offence at that.

I sort of see where they're coming from a bit, in that I certainly wouldn't want to miss large chunks of the ceremony and reception just because I was breastfeeding, and it was a misjudgement to pursue the issue once she'd said no. But the tone of that email is just ridiculous. If the relationship between your OH and his brother is OK, I'd be tempted to get him to pick up the phone and say "You're taking the piss, right?" Or to use my favourite of the responses suggested so far - "Dear bil, No one cares about your wife's tits. We offered a comfortable seat."

SolasEile · 05/05/2015 15:31

Extended breastfeeding
Wedding
Self-righteous in-laws

It's like an algorithm generated this thread to create the perfect MN bingo! I predict this will go to 1,000 posts by the end of the day Grin

Heels99 · 05/05/2015 15:32

Happening, have you read the thread? Op offered sil a comfy sofa to breastfeed on should she wish to do so. That's it! How is that controlling guests behaviour?

leedy · 05/05/2015 15:32

"Toddlers do not need BF in the first place."

You can take that up with my toddler. I'm sure you'd find it ... interesting.

(strongly pro-vaxx, senior tech professional, neither hippy, farty, nor vegan here, btw)

"FWIW I never once had a negative comment when BF my toddler in public - but I'm very aware that's just pot luck."

Ditto, but I'm wondering is it actually not pot luck and do most people genuinely not really care, apart from a vocal minority of "BITTY!" shouters, Farages and the like? Like, are people concerned about offending the sensibilities of people who actually more than likely won't be offended?

NeedABumChange · 05/05/2015 15:33

Why on earth would anyone need to feed a three year old anything at a wedding ceremony? Breastfeeding would be as inappropriate as giving them a packet of crips! They are three, they can wait 20mins.

Topseyt · 05/05/2015 15:33

Agree with Solidgoldbrass too. Very eloquently put! Smile

SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 15:33

And also the room will have the door left open and will be near front of our ceremony room, meaning (hopefully) anyone in there will still be able to watch the ceremony, except it'll be like when you get restricted viewing seats at the theatre!

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PterodactylTeaParty · 05/05/2015 15:33

So this woman is simultaneously refusing to think of everyone else, and insisting on making a point to everyone else? Talented lady.

Can't say I've ever really noticed what other people's toddlers do at wedding ceremonies, anyway except for the wonderful 2yo at mine who bellowed "NOOOOOO!" at the 'forgive us our trespasses' line of the Lord's Prayer

Bluecarrot · 05/05/2015 15:34

I'm in an fb group where women seem to want to be told to breastfeed elsewhere just so they can argue their case and make a big point about how amazing and incredibly special they are for bf their babies. Perhaps she is in a group of similar mums and so her default is negative and defensive?!

Or is she usually a bit of a drama queen?

I would have been grateful for you being so thoughtful about the space for feeding, and for kids just to burn off steam away from the main event.

Just reply saying "It isn't an issue, the room is available for feeding if required"

IAmNotAMindReader · 05/05/2015 15:36

They have wound themselves up now with righteous indignation. Prepare for any seating changes made for their own comfort to be met with more cries of victimisation and marginalisation. I fear they may be preparing to back out loudly as they can't face such an anti breast feeding stance. The fact that you and probably others there have breast fed is now irrelevant. They of course are the only humans ever to realise breasts can do such marvelous things.

If it does escalate, I'd drop the politeness and part with "Suit yourselves, you giant attention seeking twats."

AnnaBee36 · 05/05/2015 15:37

I think they sound like a couple of twats. Their email is pompous and self-important in the extreme, if they feel that strongly they should have discussed it nicely with you, not written a wanky, official sounding email making it all into a massive issue. It's not all about them, it's your special day. I'll be going to my brother's wedding with my newborn in the summer and I'll be going out of my way to keep disturbance to a minimum and go off and find discreet places to feed. Because their wedding day is about them, not me, and I'm very conscious that I don't want to pull any attention away from them. YANBU. I agree with the poster who said just send them an offhand email saying the room was offered as a kindness but you're not bothered where/when/how they feed. I hope you have a lovely wedding and they don't cause any more upset for you x

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