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about SIL breastfeeding issue? Wedding related!

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SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 13:08

I'm getting married in 5 weeks and there'll be 6 children at the wedding - 2 small babies and 4 toddlers. Next to the room where we're getting married is another room they use for smaller ceremonies, I asked if they could leave the door open for this in case people need to take out crying/tantrumming children (including my own 4yo DS!). They've agreed and will put sofas and a toy box in the room.

We were at my OH's parents at the weekend and his DB and wife were there. They are bringing their 2 children, our niece (4 months) and nephew (3yo) to the wedding. I told her about the room and said that I can get them sat near it just in case they need to pop out and settle or feed them (she's breastfeeding both). She said that if they need to feed she can just pull her dress down as its low cut, but I said she'll probably be more comfortable in the room as the seats are squahsed close together and may incur a lot of faffing. I've said the same to my cousin who is bring her 2 month old, who is bottle fed (and told SIL-to-be this).

Can I state at this point I'm very pro-breastfeeding, i breastfed DS until he was 2 years old, often in public, and would never ever adopy a 'there's a time and a place' attitude - however having breastfed a child of varying ages I know what a faff it can be especially when they're across your lap when someone is right next to you, so I gave the room idea as I thought it would be more comfortable for them and the children.

This morning OH has received the following email from his DB (names changed obviously):

Hi DB
Laura (SIL-to-be) and I have been discussing the issue of breastfeeding at your wedding and the fact she's been asked to go into another room if she needs to feed during the ceremony. I have to say I'm disappointed in you both as I thought you were pro-breastfeeding. Laura feels very vicitimised by this and we suspect it's because other guests may feel uncomfortable. In which case that's their issue, if they are offended by breasts being used for their natural function then they are welcome to turn their heads. Or, if it's like SilverSalmon says, and it's just for our comfort, we believe it would be easier to just get the children latched on rather than make the fuss of getting up and leaving the room.

I think it may be a good time to also mention that, as you know, Laura tandem feeds and because DS is still feeding when she latches DD on he usually comes up asking for some too. Meaning that it's highly likely that she'll need to tandem feed at various points during the day. We're happy with this and she has chosen a tandem-feeding friendly dress for this reason. Laura is not prepared to be shoved into a side room like she's doing something sordid, she wants to be part of the day too. So wether it be during the ceremony, dinner, speeches etc, she will need to tandem feed and is not prepared to leave the room to do it. I have to put the comfort and needs of my wife and children first. If you're not happy with this arrangement I'm afraid we won't be able to come - I'm not having any of us penalised because of our feeding choices. None of us would enjoy a day where the children and Laura are constantly seperate from me and the feeding is non-negotiable. It's up to you 2 but can you let us know asap and then we do things like cancel the hotel room and return our outfits. I hope you understand our point of view, I don't want to fall out with you but I didn't think breastfeeding would be such an issue!"

So mumsnet AIBU to be upset about this? I genuinely thought I was being helpful when I offered a side room for the ceremony. Help!

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MerryMarigold · 07/05/2015 07:52

Yy koala, entirely agree. There are 2 issues going on

  1. Extended breastfeeding/ Tandem feeding
  2. The BIL and SIL's eye, egocentric attitude

I think they have done extended breastfeeding no favour, which is sad add they are obviously so evangelical about it.

Waltermittythesequel · 07/05/2015 08:56

Have they responded?

AlisonBlunderland · 07/05/2015 09:00

Would be funny if, after all this, the 3 yo decides to self-wean himself in the next 4 weeks.

I can imagine BIL and "Laura" frantically insisting that he wants to feed, just so that it doesn't look like they have backed down.

My biggest gripe is the tone of BIL's email.
That's what you write to the Manager of Claridges when a stupid waiter asks you to drape a napkin over your BF baby or leave the restaurant. Not what you right to your Bro and SIL to be

AlisonBlunderland · 07/05/2015 09:01

write

leedy · 07/05/2015 09:02

Totally agree there are two issues - the relatives' annoying email/attitude, and extended feeding. My irkedness/"special snowflake"ness () was because of people being seemingly unable to criticize the email/attitude without making what came across as unpleasant, snide digs at extended breastfeeding/tandem feeding in general.

I haven't been defending the SIL at all, other than saying that it's not weird per se to be tandem feeding or feeding a 3 year old. There are annoyingly self-absorbed people of all types, including extended breastfeeders.

nickersinaknot · 07/05/2015 10:30

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CultureSucksDownWords · 07/05/2015 10:34

Do you think so, nickers? I don't think there have been many derogatory comments, if any at all, from those who are defending the concept of extended breastfeeding.

MerryMarigold · 07/05/2015 10:41

Leedy, that is why I think the BIL/ SIL sadly damaged their own 'cause' of extended bf'ing by having this stinky, entitled attitude to go along with it. Also I think the lines got blurred by other more extreme pro-extended bf'ers saying she had every right to tandem feed during the ceremony (even if it would attract attention to herself and detract from the Bride & Groom) where other pro-extended bf'ers were saying it is an inappropriate time. I think this is where the 2 issues have converged.

nickersinaknot · 07/05/2015 10:47

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BlackeyedSusan · 07/05/2015 10:55

to be fair, swinging off tits would have been ds's preferred option given the chance... he liked standing on one leg upside down quite a lot too. needless to say due to his antics feeding at home on the sofa with lots of room for his flailing leg and arm was the only option when he was two.

now have they replied yet?

leedy · 07/05/2015 10:59

"to have a poster be 'in tears! well done!' is all as ott as the ils email."

Well I've been BF for pretty much 5 years non-stop, generally I'm pretty damn Teflon about other people's attitudes, I will feed wherevs if I think it's a good time, mostly any criticism of my parenting choices are (to quote the great Jinkx Monsoon) water off a duck's back. However I was tired and the toddler just got his cast off and just this once all the thinly-disguised disgust and unfunny jokes (which apparently nickers can't see, because seemingly remarks about "who wants to normalize toddler breastfeeding? NOT ME!" aren't in any way insulting and you have to actually "go full Little Britain" and dance around shouting Bitty at breastfeeding mothers before it's deemed rude) got to me and yes, I was genuinely upset. Not so much now.

I'm not sure why nickers is so invested in the idea that a lot of the attitudes towards BF in general on this thread aren't offensive.

nickersinaknot · 07/05/2015 11:08

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hobNong · 07/05/2015 11:08

I agree with you leedy and culture, the insults have been going in one direction as far as I've seen. Oh well. Glad you're feeling better now leedy, I hope your son is OK now.

leedy · 07/05/2015 11:17

And I suppose my point was that there were a lot of comments that were less overtly rude than the "bitty" ones (which I'm glad that almost everyone found awful) but were still actually kind of unpleasant, which really did make it a lot more than "just a few isolated comments". Even a lot of the criticisms of "toddler being allowed feed every single time they ask" shaded into "because nobody wants to see that, do they?", ie that you should generally refuse a toddler feeds in public purely to protect the delicate sensibilities of others.

I suppose my more general point is that if you're not in the group being offended, you don't get to decide what's offensive to them. :)

leedy · 07/05/2015 11:19

And thanks, hobNong, he's absolutely fine now! Hopefully will be a slightly more cautious climber in future...

Goldmandra · 07/05/2015 11:20

its attitudes to posters thinking 3 yr olds need on demand bf'ing.

I don't think anyone's said that 3YO need on demand BFing.

They have, however, defended the SIL's right to decide how and when she feeds her own DCs and expressed an understanding that she may not wish to refuse the 3YO while his sibling is being fed.

Some posters seem to think there is some sort of cut off beyond which BFing shouldn't be allowed at all because the child doesn't need it, yet no child ever needs to be BF as there are always alternatives.

Alanna1 · 07/05/2015 11:26

Hilarious. I think you should reply saying you are really surprised and a little offended at the tone of their email, you bf your kids, they are the ones being judgmental and leaping to assumptions. You thought they might be more comfortable, that's all. If you are feeling a bit snarky I'd also send them a link to this thread. Personally I think its Little Britain sketch worthy to still tandem feed a 3 y.o. especially at a wedding but each to their own - respecting diversity is also important.

nickersinaknot · 07/05/2015 11:28

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ArcheryAnnie · 07/05/2015 11:34

I think the OP's reply was very gracious, considering the original email. I'd have been inclined to point out how hurt I was by their unfounded accusations of not being pro-breastfeeding, and of "victimising" her SIL by offering privacy if she wants it - that was a really horrid email from the DB. But clearly the OP is better at diplomatic family relationships than me!

Waltermittythesequel · 07/05/2015 11:42

Over sensitivity coupled with insults veiled as humour and the thread has gone mad as I knew it would.

In fairness, leedy an anonymous poster on an Internet forum is not responsible for you crying.

On the other hand saying shitty things about someone's parenting choices is a bit off.

And still no OP...

TranmereRover · 07/05/2015 11:49

when did it become a thing that guests are more important than the bride and groom at a wedding? that's what this really comes down to. For what is possibly the most significant 20 minutes of someone's life (& in this case your own brother's), you refrain from playing candy crush / chatting to your neighbour and defer to their wishes. Which may well include giving a strapping 3 yr old with teeth a box of raisins or sending him to play with his pals so he doesn't need to worry about sitting still.

sleeponeday · 07/05/2015 11:53

There are 2 issues going on
1. Extended breastfeeding/ Tandem feeding
2. The BIL and SIL's eye, egocentric attitude

This.

I find some of the comments on extended breastfeeding just as self-absorbed and entitled as the appalling email is, really. How about trying to consider other people, once in a while?

Momagain1 · 07/05/2015 11:59

Thank god this will hit 1000 posts soon.

Abraid2 · 07/05/2015 12:05

If someone had pulled down their dress to 'tandem' feed a three-year-old during my wedding reception or the service I would not have been impressed.

THe OP's SIL is a twit.

quietasamouse · 07/05/2015 12:56

Adding another post to help this hit 1000. I think this has run its course.

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