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about SIL breastfeeding issue? Wedding related!

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SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 13:08

I'm getting married in 5 weeks and there'll be 6 children at the wedding - 2 small babies and 4 toddlers. Next to the room where we're getting married is another room they use for smaller ceremonies, I asked if they could leave the door open for this in case people need to take out crying/tantrumming children (including my own 4yo DS!). They've agreed and will put sofas and a toy box in the room.

We were at my OH's parents at the weekend and his DB and wife were there. They are bringing their 2 children, our niece (4 months) and nephew (3yo) to the wedding. I told her about the room and said that I can get them sat near it just in case they need to pop out and settle or feed them (she's breastfeeding both). She said that if they need to feed she can just pull her dress down as its low cut, but I said she'll probably be more comfortable in the room as the seats are squahsed close together and may incur a lot of faffing. I've said the same to my cousin who is bring her 2 month old, who is bottle fed (and told SIL-to-be this).

Can I state at this point I'm very pro-breastfeeding, i breastfed DS until he was 2 years old, often in public, and would never ever adopy a 'there's a time and a place' attitude - however having breastfed a child of varying ages I know what a faff it can be especially when they're across your lap when someone is right next to you, so I gave the room idea as I thought it would be more comfortable for them and the children.

This morning OH has received the following email from his DB (names changed obviously):

Hi DB
Laura (SIL-to-be) and I have been discussing the issue of breastfeeding at your wedding and the fact she's been asked to go into another room if she needs to feed during the ceremony. I have to say I'm disappointed in you both as I thought you were pro-breastfeeding. Laura feels very vicitimised by this and we suspect it's because other guests may feel uncomfortable. In which case that's their issue, if they are offended by breasts being used for their natural function then they are welcome to turn their heads. Or, if it's like SilverSalmon says, and it's just for our comfort, we believe it would be easier to just get the children latched on rather than make the fuss of getting up and leaving the room.

I think it may be a good time to also mention that, as you know, Laura tandem feeds and because DS is still feeding when she latches DD on he usually comes up asking for some too. Meaning that it's highly likely that she'll need to tandem feed at various points during the day. We're happy with this and she has chosen a tandem-feeding friendly dress for this reason. Laura is not prepared to be shoved into a side room like she's doing something sordid, she wants to be part of the day too. So wether it be during the ceremony, dinner, speeches etc, she will need to tandem feed and is not prepared to leave the room to do it. I have to put the comfort and needs of my wife and children first. If you're not happy with this arrangement I'm afraid we won't be able to come - I'm not having any of us penalised because of our feeding choices. None of us would enjoy a day where the children and Laura are constantly seperate from me and the feeding is non-negotiable. It's up to you 2 but can you let us know asap and then we do things like cancel the hotel room and return our outfits. I hope you understand our point of view, I don't want to fall out with you but I didn't think breastfeeding would be such an issue!"

So mumsnet AIBU to be upset about this? I genuinely thought I was being helpful when I offered a side room for the ceremony. Help!

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nickersinaknot · 06/05/2015 14:38

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leedy · 06/05/2015 14:38

"Phil out of Eastenders once stared at me when I was bfing in a pub in Primrose Hill"

For some reason I can't stop laughing at this.

BoffinMum · 06/05/2015 14:39

People should do they want WRT bf, but personally I think it's quite reasonable to explain to a 3-year-old that you are going to have a pretty dress on etc and so if he could make do with milk out of a cup while you are out and about that day, that would be very helpful. By 3 they really, really don't need feeding on demand, and it's good that they start to become aware that their parents have needs and desires too, even if that is a desire to avoid faffing about while out at a wedding.

leedy · 06/05/2015 14:42

"The comments you've added to the post 'does anyone want to normalise bf toddlers, I dont' then added your own offensive interpretation is just as bizarre as the ils email."

So what message, pray, if you were breastfeeding a toddler, would you get from that post? I genuinely can't find an interpretation that isn't really quite offensive. "I want what you're doing to remain abnormal and weird and kind of shameful, but in a loving way"? "I don't want people to feel confident about breastfeeding toddlers because that will attract the wrath of the Giant Goat People From Beyond The Stars"?

leedy · 06/05/2015 14:43

Also I'm not sure where "breastfeeding toddlers" has somehow become equated to "never refusing your toddler a breastfeed ever ever ever". Possibly that's what the OP's SIL does, but it's certainly not a general thing.

Only1scoop · 06/05/2015 14:44

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carabos · 06/05/2015 15:03

I've been following this thread with interest, having fed DS2 to 27 months. As leedy says, I started out bfing assuming that he might self-wean as DS1 did at around 10 months to a year.

What I'm finding fascinating here is the clear undercurrent of something that may be disapproval, may be revulsion at a) bfing a 3 yr old and b) tandem feeding. The OP herself, whether she admits it or not, doesn't want her sil to bf / tandem feed the 3 yr old. I suspect that she is projecting her own discomfort when she says that she is concerned about her other guests.

I'd like to take a straw poll of what age people really think, in their heart of hearts, is the cut-off. I suspect it's pre-walking, pre-verbal and still recognisably "a baby". So around 6-8 months I guess. Fwiw, I knew plenty of other bfers when mine were babies, but I've only met one other mum who fed as long as I did. One.

YesIDidMeanToBeSoRudeActually · 06/05/2015 15:04

I must say, as this thread has developed I've become a bit Hmm about it.

leedy · 06/05/2015 15:09

I know a few other mums who fed/are feeding for as long as me, but not many. I do remember thinking when DS1 was a newborn "OMG, A is still feeding M and he's three" - not thinking that it was unacceptable, exactly, but I did think it was a bit strange. Little did I know....

(My own mum fed my youngest sis til she was 1.5, which was regarded as quite peculiar in the 70s)

SilverSalmon · 06/05/2015 15:11

Heels here was our reply:

I think there's been some crossed wires here - Silver certainly doesn't want Laura to feed anywhere she's not comfortable and the side room is something we're suggesting to all parents attending on the day, if they wish to use it. Hope you can make it.

I'm also ignoring troll hunting comments. Meh.

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Only1scoop · 06/05/2015 15:15

"Tandem feeding friendly dress" which Laura's husband described in his email.

He's very clued up on tandem feeding fashion Confused
Whatever that comprises of I can only imagine....

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HazleNutt · 06/05/2015 15:20

Well Laura said the dress was low cut and she would simply pull it down - being naked from waist is quite tandem-feeding friendly indeed.

I do have to say though that I have never heard a person who is not breastfeeding themselves using the language like in that email, including all the details about clothing and latching. Would be quite surprised if it was actually BIL who wrote it, and not Laura.

SilverSalmon · 06/05/2015 15:21

She said she would be wearing one that was low cut and pulled down easily. I suspect the email wasn't writtem entirely by him - but these things never are!

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leedy · 06/05/2015 15:24

I presume a tandem feeding dress is just a BF dress of some sort, they're not that odd. Something like:

shop.boobdesign.com/en/product/651/long-maternity-dress-nursing-dress-sophia

Sadly I never managed to get the "just buy a normal dress and pull the neckline down!" thing to work, I think my boobs are in the wrong place or something...

leedy · 06/05/2015 15:25

"2.3 years of bf and I never realised you can buy dresses with panels in them until I just googled it."

Hee! I was a great fan of the frock with flaps for fancy occasions when the boys were litte.

leedy · 06/05/2015 15:25

little, even.

Waltermittythesequel · 06/05/2015 15:26

Thread is just going to descend further and further I think.

MrsMcColl · 06/05/2015 15:31

In answer to the 'when's the cut-off' question: surely the 'cut-off' isn't the age of the child when breast milk is still offered, but the age at which it's reasonable to stop offering it on demand. So a three year old - definitely past the on-demand stage, because of not being a baby! Totally reasonable to expect a child of that age to wait. I wouldn't let a typical three year old have a snack or drink or dummy during a wedding ceremony - they are old enough to manage without. Bizarre to think otherwise.

leedy · 06/05/2015 15:32

"Thread is just going to descend further and further I think."

In what way? Not that some of it so far hasn't been, er, delightful.

PterodactylTeaParty · 06/05/2015 15:34

Am betting (and hoping for OP's sake) that BIL and SIL will just drop it now.

I know a couple who do the same when they're annoyed with you - seem ok in person, several days pass, and then you get a furious bizarre email making it clear they've been having increasingly ranty conversations with you inside their own heads. They always seem to calm down again once it's out of their system, no matter what or whether you reply. Odd people.

Waltermittythesequel · 06/05/2015 15:35

It will circle and circle with the same points being hammered down people's throats from both sides.

Plus the troll hunting has stated.

Generally IMO that spells the beginning of the end.

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