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about SIL breastfeeding issue? Wedding related!

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SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 13:08

I'm getting married in 5 weeks and there'll be 6 children at the wedding - 2 small babies and 4 toddlers. Next to the room where we're getting married is another room they use for smaller ceremonies, I asked if they could leave the door open for this in case people need to take out crying/tantrumming children (including my own 4yo DS!). They've agreed and will put sofas and a toy box in the room.

We were at my OH's parents at the weekend and his DB and wife were there. They are bringing their 2 children, our niece (4 months) and nephew (3yo) to the wedding. I told her about the room and said that I can get them sat near it just in case they need to pop out and settle or feed them (she's breastfeeding both). She said that if they need to feed she can just pull her dress down as its low cut, but I said she'll probably be more comfortable in the room as the seats are squahsed close together and may incur a lot of faffing. I've said the same to my cousin who is bring her 2 month old, who is bottle fed (and told SIL-to-be this).

Can I state at this point I'm very pro-breastfeeding, i breastfed DS until he was 2 years old, often in public, and would never ever adopy a 'there's a time and a place' attitude - however having breastfed a child of varying ages I know what a faff it can be especially when they're across your lap when someone is right next to you, so I gave the room idea as I thought it would be more comfortable for them and the children.

This morning OH has received the following email from his DB (names changed obviously):

Hi DB
Laura (SIL-to-be) and I have been discussing the issue of breastfeeding at your wedding and the fact she's been asked to go into another room if she needs to feed during the ceremony. I have to say I'm disappointed in you both as I thought you were pro-breastfeeding. Laura feels very vicitimised by this and we suspect it's because other guests may feel uncomfortable. In which case that's their issue, if they are offended by breasts being used for their natural function then they are welcome to turn their heads. Or, if it's like SilverSalmon says, and it's just for our comfort, we believe it would be easier to just get the children latched on rather than make the fuss of getting up and leaving the room.

I think it may be a good time to also mention that, as you know, Laura tandem feeds and because DS is still feeding when she latches DD on he usually comes up asking for some too. Meaning that it's highly likely that she'll need to tandem feed at various points during the day. We're happy with this and she has chosen a tandem-feeding friendly dress for this reason. Laura is not prepared to be shoved into a side room like she's doing something sordid, she wants to be part of the day too. So wether it be during the ceremony, dinner, speeches etc, she will need to tandem feed and is not prepared to leave the room to do it. I have to put the comfort and needs of my wife and children first. If you're not happy with this arrangement I'm afraid we won't be able to come - I'm not having any of us penalised because of our feeding choices. None of us would enjoy a day where the children and Laura are constantly seperate from me and the feeding is non-negotiable. It's up to you 2 but can you let us know asap and then we do things like cancel the hotel room and return our outfits. I hope you understand our point of view, I don't want to fall out with you but I didn't think breastfeeding would be such an issue!"

So mumsnet AIBU to be upset about this? I genuinely thought I was being helpful when I offered a side room for the ceremony. Help!

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Totality22 · 05/05/2015 16:21

As expected the debate is in full throttle.

As a mum of a toddler and 3 month old baby I understand that certain things have to give. We put off taking the dummy away just used for bed before I am lynched and potty training as we knew the new baby would disrupt life and didn't want the toddler to feel put out. That could play a big part in why SIL is still tandem feeding "on demand"..

I also get that in formal situation you do anything to keep the toddler quiet. For me it would be chocolate buttons as opposed to boob but as I say, I get it.

However they seem to have a massive chip on their shoulder about the whole thing and that would piss me right off.

Yes BF'ing is normal and natural blah, blah, blah but sadly our society doesn't quite view it that way... Not sure I'd want someone to use my wedding to make any kind of "point" about it but you really cannot shoo someone off into a side room to appease other people who may / may not have a problem (and most likely if they do have a problem with it they won't say anything to you on your big day)

PS: out of interest I am a breastfeeding Mum who would much appreciate a side room for the ceremony. I didn't realise seating plans for ceremonies was a thing but I would be happy for a seat on the outside and actually opt for one as my preferred choice so I could slope off and feed baby in peace.

AGirlCalledBoB · 05/05/2015 16:28

I think your sil has a point actually. She will bother no one by discreetly breastfeeding in the ceremony, no one and yet I too would feel slightly put off if someone mentioned going into a side room just to feed. If I am going to a wedding, then I would want to watch the wedding, not miss it because other people feel uncomfortable with the thought they might see some breast. Surely everyone would be looking at the couple anyway not a mother breastfeeding?

nickersinaknot · 05/05/2015 16:29

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Seffina · 05/05/2015 16:30

"I cannot imagine anything worse than saying my wedding vows to the man I love on the my wedding day and looking up to see a 3 year old swinging off someone's tit. And I'm pro breast feeding."

Hmm

I don't remember what any of my guests were doing whilst I actually got married. Mainly because I was too busy, getting married and all. I certainly didn't look up and look around to make sure everyone's attention was focussed on me

And it's ok, OP is going to put her in a quiet corner away from relatives she might offend with the children swinging off her tits so she wouldn't see her even if she did look up.

I wish my baby would swing off my tits. I'd love to be able to breastfeed hands free.

AyeAmarok · 05/05/2015 16:30

This reply from Penguin is great. They are just looking for and opportunity to make it all about them. It's ridiculous.

"I think we seem to have got crossed wires. I said that there was a side room available if Laura wanted to use it, not that she had to. The chairs are very close together and I know how difficult it can be to feed squirmy babies and toddlers in confined spaces without someone getting a foot in the face. The room is also available for children (including mine) who might be finding the ceremony too much. If any child started crying or tantruming, it's obviously better if they do that away from the vows.

I have to say, if you'd rung me, I could have explained all this.

Please could you let me know if you are still planning to come."

Mashtag · 05/05/2015 16:30

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PHANTOMnamechanger · 05/05/2015 16:31

she's clearly out for a fight here, she does not give a damn about anyone elses feelings or comfort - I can't honestly see how you can silently and with NO impact on those around you BF 2 different sized children in an upright chair. Everyone around her would see/hear what was going on and it would distract from the ceremony.

I can't wait to see the photos though - most people have a buttonhole or a nice matching hat/handbag - she will have a DC under each arm and her dress peeled down, because it's her right! Classy!

Seffina · 05/05/2015 16:31

But why do people find it uncomfortable? Why do they not want to see it in public? Why does it matter so much to everybody?

SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 16:32

Tit swinging Hmm don't recall tit swinging when I breastfed - must have been doing it wrong Wink

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DuelingFanjo · 05/05/2015 16:32

"she's clearly out for a fight here, she does not give a damn about anyone elses feelings or comfort "

if that is so then the OP shouldn't give her one.

PterodactylTeaParty · 05/05/2015 16:35

There are some very interesting definitions of 'pro breastfeeding' on this thread Hmm

Can't imagine ever planning to feed a 3yo during a wedding ceremony myself, but I can't imagine ever caring that much about someone else doing it either. All this arm-flailing about how absolutely awful it would be and what an awful person she must be for wanting to do it is a bit bizarre tbh. Why would you even let someone else feeding their child occupy more than 0.0001% of your brain space, especially during a wedding? Some of the posters on here are coming across as even more drama queen ish than the BIL who wrote the email.

Seffina · 05/05/2015 16:37

I would bet money that there is somebody at your wedding who has more flesh on show than your SIL whilst she is tandem feeding.

lunalelle · 05/05/2015 16:38

Bluestocking - Cressida and Malcolm did occur to me as well ;)

More seriously, though, anyone using language like 'swinging off her tit' etc needs to stop woman-shaming.

leedy · 05/05/2015 16:39

It would be nice if people could address the issue of this (possibly quite unreasonable) couple without being so bloody rude about the apparently horrifying and repulsive freakshow that is toddler breastfeeding in general. My toddler isn't "swinging off my tit" when I feed him, I don't strip to the waist to do it, I'm not "obsessed with breastfeeding" (though possibly DS2 is :) ), he is quite capable of going without it for long periods of time (I'm off to New York for a week next week), but at the same time I don't see why I should "accept that many people don't want to see a toddler breastfeeding" and hide it. I'm sure a lot of people have been in the same room with me feeding him and not really noticed. Pull up t-shirt, insert head, go.

Writerwannabe83 · 05/05/2015 16:40

I love a good breast feeding/wedding thread Grin

hackmum · 05/05/2015 16:42

"Laura feels very vicitimised by this".

Really? She must have had an easy life up to now.

Honestly, she sounds like hard work. I know exactly what you mean, OP, about it being hard to feed, particularly an older child, when the chairs are all squished up - you do need a bit of space.

I also can't see that a 3-year old would need a breast feed during the relatively short amount of time taken up by a wedding ceremony.

leedy · 05/05/2015 16:44

"More seriously, though, anyone using language like 'swinging off her tit' etc needs to stop woman-shaming."

YES. It's somehow seen as acceptable in some circles to be REALLY FUCKING UNPLEASANT about women's bodies if they're breastfeeding in public - it's like there's "sexy breasts" (ooh lovely and sexy for sexytime) and then there's "DISGUSTING BREASTFEEDING BREASTS" (to be swung off, flopped out, covered in repellent veins, leaky, droopy, urgh nobody wants to see those, big fat horrible nipples with a baby hanging off them, go hide in a tent, etc.). Because hey, those women are just hilarious self-indulgent farty lentil-weavers. Why should we care.

(for the record, my boobs look damn good)

leedy · 05/05/2015 16:45

"I also can't see that a 3-year old would need a breast feed during the relatively short amount of time taken up by a wedding ceremony."

No, me neither, hence my belief that the SIL is a bit of a drama queen. I'm still irked at some of the attitudes about natural term BF I've seen on the thread, though.

Seffina · 05/05/2015 16:45

[Applauds leedy and her damn fine boobs]

Grin
leedy · 05/05/2015 16:47

"don't recall tit swinging when I breastfed - must have been doing it wrong"

I'm actually wincing at the thought. It sounds like a recipe for accidentally losing a nipple.

nickersinaknot · 05/05/2015 16:47

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Hoppinggreen · 05/05/2015 16:48

You know " Laura" is going to be feeding BOTH children ( and possibly Your BIL) as often as possible throughout the ceremony and the Reception to make a point now don't you?
Personally I don't care how and when people feed their children but I do care about dickheads who try and make other people's weddings about them.

Seffina · 05/05/2015 16:53

"( and possibly Your BIL)"

Hmm
Heels99 · 05/05/2015 16:53

God yes what if bil latches on during the ceremony? Just to make the point.

SilverSalmon · 05/05/2015 16:54

As much of a PITA and drama llama as my in-laws are being I think people are being very derogatory on this thread to people who, like myself once, feed toddlers - I know not everyone is in love with the idea (hence me saying I'd rather she didn't at our wedding in front of people with fragile sensibilities) but the language used on here (tit swinging, Little Britain etc) is frankly idiotic

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