To vote Tory to stop UKIP?

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My constituency is a marginal. Current polls show 36% Tory, 33% UKIP, 18% Labour 10% LD, with a +/- 3% margin of error.

My personal preference would be Labour, but if I vote for them UKIP might take the seat.

Even though I hate the very idea of voting Tory, AIBU to vote for them anyway just to keep UKIP out?

(Really really detest, abhor and loathe UKIP)

Stratter5 you do realise that 'their last shambles' was caused by in international financial crisis originating in the USA, right? And that Labour's spending had nothing to do with it and in fact the actions of the Labour government managed to place the country in a better position than those advocated by the Tories at the time would have done? And that since 2010 Osbourne and his cronies have borrowed more than the accumulated borrowings of every single labour government in history? Thus completing wasting the good work by the last government to restored some measure of probable recovery? Or do you just read the Tory press and listen to Cameron's sound bites?

OneStep I'm a fellow South Thaneter and voted Labour the other day.

Craig Mckinley is ex UKIP anyway. Plus, I really like Will Scobie. The polls were closer a few months ago and it can all change.

I found a lovely picture of a Sheeple, they don't look too bad.

TravellingLemon Who would have thought the Lib Dems would pal up with the Tories? UKIP and the Conservatives have much more in common. UKIP is basically the Tories on steroids. I think Cameron would grab that alliance with both hands if it meant staying in power. Why not? What is Farage going to fight him on really? They both rolled off the same conveyor belt.

"UncertainSmile" I will make the point in a better way.

The political left in the last few generations are half baked drops outs driven by 60s style revolutionary thought and a desire for communism/ socialism. These types were especially strong in the 1970s/ 80s.

They were driven by Frankfurt School ideas from writers like Adono, Fromm, Marcuse without often even realising that there was an academic movement behind them, and off course driven by Karl Marx.

These types wanted to use multiculturalism as a weapon to help tear appear Western society one brick at a time.

Usually people who react to things like UKIP or identification of European white people are reacting feom learning through this framework without even being aware of it.

TravellingLemon Who would have thought the Lib Dems would pal up with the Tories? UKIP and the Conservatives have much more in common. UKIP is basically the Tories on steroids. I think Cameron would grab that alliance with both hands if it meant staying in power. Why not? What is Farage going to fight him on really? They both rolled off the same conveyor belt.

Exactly. UKIP hasn't emerged fully formed from space. They're essentially the Provisional wing of the Tory Party.

UKIP hasn't emerged fully formed from space. They're essentially the Provisional wing of the Tory Party.

The political left in the last few generations are half baked drops outs driven by 60s style revolutionary thought and a desire for communism/ socialism. These types were especially strong in the 1970s/ 80s.
They were driven by Frankfurt School ideas from writers like Adono, Fromm, Marcuse without often even realising that there was an academic movement behind them, and off course driven by Karl Marx.
These types wanted to use multiculturalism as a weapon to help tear appear Western society one brick at a time.

Nonsense. There isn't an international leftie cabal, as I've said before. It's conspiracist madness to suggest so. Where is it focused? The Bilderberg Group?

I wish there was an international leftie cabal. It'd be fucking great.

There isn't an international leftie cabal?

Please take 5 minutes to look up the 10 Pillars of Marxism which were broadly new ideas in the late 19th century.

Ask yourself how many of those Pillars apply to Western countries today. (I gather that no one every prompted you to do this before.)

Then ask yourself how is it that we got to a point where we have not only introduced these things but people think is mad to even question them.

To the person who said George Obsourne has overspent worse than The Labour government. It's true because there is a seemingly irreversible trajectory of increased state looking after people from cradle to grave and getting involved in their lives, and increasing expectations for this.

Please take 5 minutes to look up the 10 Pillars of Marxism which were broadly new ideas in the late 19th century.

Just have, but it seems impossible as only crazy Tea Party sites actually talk about such a thing.

Spires, could you take me through them individually, apply them to the UK, and tell me how these 'Ten Pillars' are enshrined?

I don't agree I'm afraid. I think it's a very different set of circumstances. Nick Clegg had a really tough decision to make at the last election. He decided to go with the tories for a set of reasons that I have some sympathy with. UKIP is a different matter all together. They don't yet really have any type of mandate. I don't personally think they will get it at this election, but even if they do the tories don't really have much to gain in the long term from a formal alliance. It's just a practical view. Why would they ally themselves to UKIP when it's toxic for them?

To the person who said George Obsourne has overspent worse than The Labour government. It's true because there is a seemingly irreversible trajectory of increased state looking after people from cradle to grave and getting involved in their lives, and increasing expectations for this.

Bollocks. They're the government. They can do as they see fit. The only conclusion is that Gideon is clueless.

Why do you think that UKIP and the Tories have such an interchange of members, Lemon? It's because they are two wings of the Conservative Party. Farage himself used to be a Tory.

The state is increasingly refusing to look after people from cradle to grave (well, apart from the people who are the Rory's cronies of course). The borrowing has primarily funded tax cuts and vanity/ideologically based schemes such as trident. The massive increase of borrowing during the last 5 years has been primarily caused by the complete failure of the Tory policies to produce anticipated growth. You claim you work in financial services but I see no evidence of even basic financial literacy in your posts. I do, as it happens, work in financial services but one doesn't need to do that to see where the problem lies. One just needs a brain cell or two.

Tory cronies. Obviously. I don't blame any Rory (expect Rories who vote Tory) for the current woeful state of our finances. Bloody iPad autocorrect.

But why should we watch immigration by the millions and parts of our country turn into India, Africa, the far-East. I am a well travelled person and nothing haunts other cultures

I suppose anyone who wants to wants to restrict mass-immigration to the UK is mentally ill

It's hilarious that someone capable of posting this is accusing others of failing to check facts. Spires, you don't seem to have noticed that we don't actually have unrestricted mass immigration now, yet no-one is accusing the current and previous government of collective mental illness. You also don't seem to have noticed that all the main parties have proposals to restrict immigration further.

UncertainSmile I don't see how that's relevant to the point I was making. The point I was making is that I don't think we will see a formal coalition between UKIP and the Tories. The fact that NF used to be a tory doesn't change my mind on that, he's not the one I think will have the problem with a coalition.

The political left have a desire for socialism? In the 70s?
Well, no shit Sherlock. Hold the front page; the Labour party were socialists!

Cameron will do whatever he needs to retain power.

I agree with lemon. Reckon UKIP will do well to get two or three seats. Hardly a game-changer in terms of coalition planning and I'm sure that Cameron is aware of the dangers of being seen to be reliant on "racists and fruitcakes" (his words).

I think an interesting development would be if Clegg loses Hallam. Without him, which way would the Lib Dems jump?

But why should we watch immigration by the millions

Where do you get the figure of millions from, Spires? Official figures to December 2014 show that immigration for the preceding year excluding short term visitor visas was under 500,000. That included 220,000 study visas which means that the individual concerned have to leave at the end of their courses. It also included 167,000 work visas, mainly immigrants in the entrepreneur, investor and skilled worker categories. It also included people on temporary work visas who again will have to leave when their visas expire.

Contrary to your perception of uncontrolled immigration, over 18,000 people were refused entry, 12,500 were removed, and there were 24,000 voluntary departures of immigrants including asylum seekers. Over the same period, approximately 350,000 people emigrated, including a substantial proportion of EU citizens and non EU or UK nationals.

This is one of the many things that bother me about UKIP. They try to frighten people with totally made up statistics and their supporters swallow the deception whole. It wouldn't surprise me in the least, Spires, if you dismiss all of these inconvenient facts as being part of one of you conspiracy theories, or if you simply ignore it all. But it is, again, ironic, that you accuse others of not arguing on a reasoned factual basis when you singularly fail to do so yourself.

I suspect Lib Dems would prefer to be in bed with Labour but I'm guessing that would still not give Miliband a working majority. And Lib Dems don't seem anxious to work with the SNP.