To be ashamed dh is voting conservative

[Jacobsmum1972]

I'm very left wing dh is centre right Aibu to not want friends or family finding this out.

Yeah, it sounds dull.

What did you all talk about at your dinner party that was over by 9pm tonight, Bubblebrain?

Nice side step ther bubble, I'm sure your dinner parties are wonderful and right on topic, although remember those children will grow up and question your ideals so your guest list may be limited in future as they out grow you in critical thinking.

I will give you about 7/10 on this thread though.

Thanks for that link, FindoGask. Will definitely take a look. I have a friend who has a PhD in economics and has written various papers on exactly the same subject (why austerity economics don't work). I have read some on occasions and like you probably only managed to retain the key points for a short time and found the arguments compelling. And all this from someone who will probably vote Tory next week. Just chatting to my (lifelong Labour supporter) DH after watching the debate and agreeing that Labour are mad not to be using that argument.

However, main shock of the Newsnight debate in our house was our 7 year old DD announcing she thinks Ed is 'handsome'. God help us all. Can't see it myself...

Oh look another 'nasty tory' trying to swindle the system.......

www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/top-stories/labour-s-candidate-for-wellingborough-and-rushden-richard-garvie-suspended-after-conviction-for-fraud-1-6719687

It seems that you can't pigeon hole either side of the polical spectrum isn't it..

In our closest dinner party friendship group (which has grown out of the DC's school) there are lawyers (clearly we're evil), doctors, SAHM who works p/t as a TA, teacher, midwife, dentist.

I wouldn't have a clue how most of them vote but know the midwife is a conservative voter because she was leaflet dropping. Is she not a nice person because she's a conservative? She has what most would consider stereotypical "nice person's job" . I'd put money on the fact that if you met her bubble you'd badge her as a labour voter.

Similarly I know one of the lawyers is labour voter , again due to the leaflet dropping conversation. She's equally nice but I'm struggling to see how I would distinguish their levels of niceness in a line up.

Can somebody please clarify?

DW to DH "I'll leave you unless you vote Labour." = Good, girl power! A sure sign of moral superiority!

DW to DH "I'll leave you unless you vote Tory." = Bad

DH to DW "I'll leave you unless you vote Labour." = Good? Or abusive?

DH to DW "I'll leave you unless you vote Tory." = Abusive, LTB!!!

YANBU

I'd be ashamed of my spouse for voting for a party that has pushed so many into poverty.

I'd be ashamed too.

I wouldn't have a clue how most of them vote but know the midwife is a conservative voter because she was leaflet dropping. Is she not a nice person because she's a conservative?

Not necessarily: she might just be thick.

True, Nit.

I find midwives are usually very, very thick.

What do you do for a living, Nit?

I didn't say she was thick because she was a midwife, or that midwives were likely to be thick on the basis of being midwives.

What I do is irrelevant because I haven't mobilised it as relevant to my voting choice, and has the potential for out-age. I have no comment to make on whether it takes a lot more academic training than midwifery.

Crap I'm not sure that's true. And in any event, I do not believe that it's helpful to consider poverty on a relative basis. I personally prefer to think of it in absolute terms.

This thread is dividing neatly into those who are prepared to be open-minded and engage their brains and those who'd rather - er - not.

I was able to have a really good debate with DH last night after Newsnight. We vote differently, but were able to listen to each other with respect and genuine interest. We even made the odd concession and were prepared to acknowledge when the party that we don't favour did seem to have had the upper hand/made a stronger point.

I don't think DH is thick and I don't believe he thinks I am. Nor do I think any of my other friends who vote differently from me are thick.

I didn't say she was thick because she was a midwife, or that midwives were likely to be thick on the basis of being midwives.

Do you believe that thick people can become midwives? I'm surprised if they can given the rigorous training and education required .

A person might be excellent at delivering babies and on all the medical knowledge associated with that, but not so hot on other things, do you see?

I've met plenty of midwives in my time: they vary!

Oh my goodness, so I give an example based on bubble's "nice" radar and then it turns out that my midwife friend only votes conservative because she's thick . So if you're nice but thick then that can explain it .

This isn't borne out by the comments appearing on this thread. In fact the narrow minded and downright ridiculous comments largely seem to be from those slamming conservative voters (who form the majority of the UK population)

I'm not thick (and like to think I'm quite "nice") and I shall be voting conservative due to the approach to dealing with the economic crisis.

Most people know to vote Conservative you have to be either:

(a) Rich
(b) Horrible
(c) Thick

Sometimes a combination of two or more of the above. I have mainly met the horrible variety. Plenty of the thick ones are now voting UKIP though.

I hope that explains it fully.

if anyone sounds 'thick' on this thread it is you bubblebrain

Late to this thread but I agree with sunnys last comment

I have been trying my hardest to remain civil and not get personal, but I have to agree with SunnyB. For Heaven's sake, BubbleBrain - I wonder if you have any idea how idiotic you sound?

I presume you would like more people to vote Labour which would increase their chances of winning, right? So let me ask you this - what do you think is the best way to go about influencing people and trying to get floating voters to come round to your point of view:

(1) Intelligent debate, trying to look at things from all points of view and arguing on the basis of facts, policy etc. ?

OR

(2) Lobbing mindless insults at people you've never met with zero basis or evidence for any of your 'claims'?

I will leave you to ponder that for a while. Hope you work out the right answer.

Some of the things I love most about my DH are his compassion, caring for others, ability to think about the greater good rather than himself, his lack of materialism, his passion at fixing injustice, his strong ethics.

I would say someone with these qualities is very unlikely to vote for a right leaning party.

I'm not sure ashamed is the right word but I would be shocked and disappointed if he voted for the Tories because I think their ethos goes against his beliefs and way of living.

Putting it another way (in case that makes it easier Bubble), do you see how your approach is likely to result in FEWER people sympathising with your point of view? So you are actually damaging the prospects of the party you support…. Talk about an own goal! Did you see EM insulting the audience on the Newsnight debate last night - or implying they were stupid? Or rather, did you see him being very conciliatory and trying to find common ground with all the people asking questions? And why do you think he adopted the strategy that he did?

Probably enough questions for you to deal with for today….

On a roll now, sorry!

Please refer to post above by Workadurka, Bubbles, for an example of someone who shares your political viewpoint, but is able to express herself in an intelligent and compelling manner.

I couldn't care less who my DH votes for,
his choice
my choice
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