to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

[Mumof4worried]

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

Still, most labour supporters are uneducated people living in dull Northern Towns - so what? they're still entitled to vote.

Most of the Labour supporters that I know don't fit with that description at all. In fact, an awful lot of them are academics at the local university!

It is right to acknowledge that there are plenty of uneducated, unintelligent voters who will vote Labour, just as there are plenty of equally uneducated, unintelligent voters who will vote Tory. However, there are also highly educated and intelligent voters in both camps.

I have never yet encountered someone educated and intelligent who says that they're going to vote UKIP. They may exist, of course, but they don't seem to speak out.

Re the daily mail - has anyone read the recent UN statement on the British media? Triggered by that notorious article by Katie Hopkins, the UN said that the British tabloid press's representations of minority groups - immigrants, Muslims, travellers - is ill founded and dangerous.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/katie-hopkins-migrant-cockroaches-column-resembles-progenocide-propaganda-says-the-un-10201959.html

Access to education, public libraries and self education have long been part of the 'left wing' ethos.

Of course Greens, conservatives, lib dems, labour supporters etc. come from a wide variety of backgrounds.

It's only UKIP who have admitted that they don't appeal to educated people. Atleast on that point nothing on this thread has shown them to be wrong.

You're not going to meet that many UKIP voters are you, because in comparison to Labour & the Conservatives they're a small minority party.

I'd agree you get wide a range of voters in the 3 main parties.

But not so much UKIP supporters. I've not met one yet whose knuckles didn't drag on the ground or who had anything approaching a spark of intelligence.

Yes, I'm confused now.

Am I a Guardian reading, middle-class, graduate, living in my affulent, leafy village, reading Marx and doing yoga or am I an uneducated, lumpen oaf, working in a dark satantic mill and breeding whippets in't ginnel?

*affluent

You're not going to meet that many UKIP voters are you, because in comparison to Labour & the Conservatives they're a small minority party

Yes some of is have to rely on the impression given by those we 'meet' on-line.

'Of us'

Still, most labour supporters are uneducated people living in dull Northern Towns - so what? they're still entitled to vote

Not only is this prejudiced against uneducated people, its also prejudiced against northern people.

Are the uneducated and northern next after the immigrants for blame?

Yes, most of my impressions of UKIP voters are based on the people I "meet" online. I don't think I've actually met anyone in real life who openly supports them, despite living in an area where there is a high percentage of immigrants in the population.

For all that I hate Cameron, I don't think he is racist. He's just scared of losing the election. I don't think he gives a toss about immigration in reality

He can't really claim that the fault for bad public services (and bad is a perception, as it's not really that bad compared to some other countries), lack of housing and the state of the economy is his own government. Much better to have an escape goat in the form of immigrants (it's also been a few years, so not so easy to keep blaming Labour either).

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/15/fairytale-ending-elsa-kitten-frozen-denver

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gallery/2012/mar/23/top-cat-competition-kitten-winners-in-pictures

No fluff????

Oh god - I'm from a Northern town but I have a masters degree

now I don't know who I am supposed to vote for :(

I know a few UKIP supporters

Well they plan to vote UKIP and one has a poster up in support of UKIP

They are not how they are being described on this thread

If you think that the party is supported only by knuckle dragging idiots then you are sadly mistaken and I think that's where the danger lies

My in-laws live in a town with virtually no immigration. The BNP candidate in the last election ran on a platform of how the town was overrun with (highly popular) Indian restaurants. Interestingly the UKIP share of support there is broadly similar to what the BNP share used to be, and that's higher than the national average. Still, it's in the North so it's a safe Labour seat. My in-laws like UKIP because they 'want things to be like they used to'. The area's biggest employer would be out of the UK like a shot if we left the EU so it's most likely things would be like they were in the 1930s.

Sorry, but I really want to say one last time, that 95% of the national wealth goes to 1% of the population... Sadly a smokescreen shields the public from the reality of what immigration has actually brought to the UK. Unsurprising then, that racism is on the rise. In schools counselling sought for racist bullying is up to 69% in 2014.

Those 'indigenous', put upon, Ukip voting, British people who see elite, Westminster, Metropolitan, Liberal, establishment conspiracies working against them. Would be way better off joining occupy movements and putting pressure on one percenters, rather than blindly blaming immigrants, who contribute far more than they are given credit for.

I think UKIP supporters are people who lack the ability or willingness to engage in critical thought

They are mostly just people who have been affected by immigration Mrs D. Thats all UKIP is about.

If you cant get your child into primary school and you know your in a place which has been really hit by immigration, you may feel upset and want to vote for the only part who seems to want to stop un controlled immigration.

Rising demand for primary school places will leave the system under "real strain" come autumn 2014 according to a warning from the National Audit Office.

The spending watchdog said one in five primary schools in England was full or near capacity and there were signs of "real strain" on places.

<strong>The demand for places has been driven by England's birth rate rising quicker than at any time since the 1950s</strong>.

Schools minister David Laws said the government was "reversing idiotic policies" followed under Labour that had seen 200,000 school places cut. "80,000 extra places have been created and demand will be met," he add

Part of the story is also likely to be the arrival of newcomers from overseas. Official statistics published in the autumn showed a quarter of births in 2011 were to women born outside of the UK

The mother of the child who has to go miles to another school, outside community, away from siblings. may want to vote UKIP directly due to this and your calling her a knuckle dragger who is not engaging with politics. .

I'm sure there are some non-knuckle-dragging UKIP supporters out there. I've been lucky enough not to meet many (any?) myself, except on-line, which has done little to change my perception

Although, their own party admits 'they don't appeal to educated people'.

But yes, MrsDV puts it better with 'people who lack the ability or willingness to engage in critical thought".

Roses, my in-laws live in a town where the last major wave of immigration was in the 19th century.

If you think that the party is supported only by knuckle dragging idiots then you are sadly mistaken and I think that's where the danger lies

Agree Rufus

The mother of the child who has to go miles to another school, outside community, away from siblings. may want to vote UKIP directly due to this and your calling her a knuckle dragger who is not engaging with politics.

No, whether or not her knuckles touched the floor, she would not be using critical thinking skills to establish whether immigration was the real cause of the problem and whether UKIP have the ability to fix it.

The main reason for the shortage of school places is that the need for school places dropped in the seventies and eighties and nobody pulled their finger out and realised that situation wouldn't stay the same forever.

If the birth rate had remained the same we would be stuffed because we have an aging population and Aunty Muriel actually needs Karolina the doctor to work in geriatric care and Karolina isn't coming if she can't bring her children.