to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

[Mumof4worried]

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

Lets face it, Nigel Farage is never going to become prime minister BUT if he manages to shake up the other parties into doing something about the matters that concern most of the British public he is worth a vote. For far to long we have put up with the arrogance of the Lib/Lab/Con parties who are only interested in looking after themselves and their cronies.

I used to live in Peterborough, would never live there again.

I am voting UKIP, its my vote that people died for to allow me to use it and I damn well will and I dont care what anyone else thinks.

The levels of immigration we are experiencing today are unusual and unprecedented. We are not a "nation of immigrants" and never have been. This is a massive social experiment replacing the British indigenous people with those from other countries and cultures and I don't think it's going well.

Have a read of this article for further explanation:

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3639378/A-nation-of-newcomers.html

"Social cohesion, the willingness of one part of the community to trust and make sacrifices for another, depends on all of us having common values. Many of the immigrant communities are isolated islands of their own: they show no signs of integrating into British society."

And I feel immense sorrow for our children and grandchildren who will have to navigate uncharted waters in a country, and a Europe, that is unrecognisable from that of my childhood.

I don't know how old you are, but there are some whose childhood was a Europe steeped in nationalism, division, and the deadliest war ever. sometimes change is good.

The odd thing about this nostalgia is that most of the Brits I have spoken to (admittedly mostly Brits now in London, so left their home cities for some reason), have very few nice things to say about their home towns when they were young, and always describe those places as "much better now". And you read this daily in the news. Cities like Manchester, Bristol, Liverpool etc have apparently been given new life after years of decline.

I have just read the whole of ukips manifesto and yes they get my vote too.

and a Europe, that is unrecognisable from that of my childhood
Thank God it is unrecognisable from my childhood - Iron Curtain etc.
As far as immigration is concerned I blame the bloody Huguenots, Normans, Vikings, Saxons, Romans for coming here and messing up our way of life.

There are some people on this thread who make me acutally despair for the human race.

Though they are bringing me round to their view that education standards are dropping worringly in this country. Not sure it's due to immigration.

Still. At least it make's it easy to identify who is a total fuckwit.

Yet again, could the 'British values' beaters please explain to me what these values actually are?

I thought tolerance, understanding, compassion and a good sense of humour. Am I wrong?

Also, has anyone stopped to consider that the British people spent the best part of the last few centuries invading other countries, taking their resources and generally behaving like complete douchebags?

TRANSPORT:
To prevent irritating stone chips hitting your car, motorways will be vacuumed twice a day.

HEALTH:
Laughter truly is the best medicine, it will be compulsory that all hospitals appoints it's very own Clown Doctor.

Obesity
iPads, smartphones, X-boxes etc will come with a slot meter to reduce the amount of time kids are glued to these gadgets Once they've run out of money they can play outside to get fitter playing sport; this will end childhood obesity.

All lip balm will be made with super glue.

Reforming Parliament
We're going to replace all sleeping policemen with members of the House of Lords

Education
You will be required to read a book for every 10 selfies you take
Taller buildings will be built for higher education.
Institute English, Vulcan and illiteracy as Britain's three main languages.

Immigration
We propose placing giant photos of "celebrities" such as Russell Brand, Katie Hopkins and Jeremy Clarkson at all UK entry points. This will put anyone off from staying for longer than is strictly necessary.

TV Debates
All participants in the TV debates will be linked to a lie detector machine and will also be made to wear suits colour-coded to their party. David Cameron will be in a sober looking midnight blue suit. Ed Miliband would wear a pillar-box red suit, Nick Clegg would be in canary yellow, the Green Party’s Natalie Bennett would be in bilious green and Nigel Farage would wear the purple-and-yellow stripes of a seaside entertainer. This solution will allow viewers to easily differentiate the parties without reference to their confusingly similar boring policies.

Working Life
We propose 8 hours of spare time, 8 hours of rest and 8 hours of sleep every day.

Defence
We shall leave bottles of beer on all the beaches so that any invading army would abandon its attack and get drunk and the resulting broken bottles would prevent any further advance...

Green Policy
We advocate giving trees and other major features of the environment legal standing. Native trees should be given the option to vote in their country of origin. Both male and female trees (and LGBT or course) and shrubs will be given new rights.

Transport
We will reduce the speed of light to 100 miles per hour on motorways and 50MPH in towns and cities. This will keep everyone enlightened because they will be able to keep up.

Our Other Policies....
All U-Kippers will be served Jugged for breakfast

We promIse a free holiday to the Bahamas for everyone who votes for us, we're very honest party.

All swimming pools will be drained once a week for all non-swimmers, free towels will be provided.
We'll nationalise paid for public toilets so they're free to use.

The national debt with will be paid off with credit cards

We'll nationalise crime to make sure it doesn't pay.

A statue of our spiritual leader, Screaming Lord Sutch, will be erected in Madame Tussaud's Chamber of Horrors in honour of the legendary pioneer of Horror Rock Music.

We will hold a referendum on the withdrawal of the EU from Nigel Farage

15% off of phone bills for people who stutter.

Discarded chewing gum that blights our streets will be used to fill in all the potty holes on our roads.

What parts do you like, daffs? I am curious to know.

indigenous people ?
Nick Griffin has arrived!

I think that the most hideous thing about UKIP is their subliminal promotion of privilege, basically. This is usually drowned out by their focus on immigration but always underneath this is an anti-compassionate undercurrent of contempt for those who are "less" and have throughout history been to a greater or lesser extent persecuted minorities: women, disabled people, gay people, poor people.......immigrants

Immigrants are a handy scapegoat and latch for UKIPers because they are more easily identifiable by either the colour of their skin or the language they speak. They may also be women(!) or, like Parsnip's father, poor because they are fleeing horrific persecution.

I find it hilarious the Mrs. (Frau?) Farage is German, therefore a perfect vehicle to pretend UKIP aren't racist. I strongly suspect that that's because she's a naice forriner - well educated, intelligent, employed and white.

My Immigrant DH (from Europe, white but whispers Jewish) once wrote to UKIP to ask if he was persona non grata in the UKIP UK.

He explained that he had been here 20 years, and been a full time tax (and HRT) payer from two weeks after his arrival and that he had a British wife and DC.

"Goodness me, Mr SugicalSpirit, of course you'd be welcome!" came the reply. I do not know if this was an outright lie, or a perpetuation of the dis-ingenuousness because DH is a naice forriner. Had he been penniless, fleeing Auschwitz like many of his people and thrown himself on the (limited - the treatment of Jewish refugees in WWII was not stellar) mercy of this country I wonder if the answer would have been the same.

It's also clearly obvious that a Climate-Change denying party would have no problem with sourcing all our fuel via fossil fuels from Russia or elsewhere.

Nevertheless we have had to make provision to find £1000 (the price of UK citizenship for DH) very rapidly, just in case.

Just to be absolutely crystal clear, I will not and never would vote for the anti compassionate UKIP. Never.

Well said, MrsDeVere - from another white, working class woman!

MrsDevere I am in awe. Your post was so great I read it to my DH. He was also in awe.

You're bloody amazing.

windchime Thu 23-Apr-15 11:23:17
RedToothBrush
Not stupid logic at all. They need to close the borders immediately. UKIP have fantastic policies for home-grown English working women. You should read them. Or have someone explain them to you.

I have read. They are nonsense. Scaremongering prejudice pandering nonsense.

And as an over stretched nurse, I wonder who you'll be working with if all these awful immigrants are suddenly refused access.

Oh wait.

Stupid logic.

I'm with catgirl and education standards.

As for indigenous. Do we all have to provide a family history tree to decide whether we can stay or feck off or whether we are good enough to wave the St George's cross about (or Scots or NI or Welsh flag but seeing as its St George's day...)

An abusive twat is an abusive twat. It doesn't really matter if they are a British passport holder or a foreign passport holder. Twatdom is not something that gets imported and isn't a British value. The issue is the abuse, not where they come from. If you are letting that make your decision about what you vote, then you quite clearly are using stupid logic.

Oh no look, someone dared to use the word "indigenous". KLAXON.

And yet without any irony the people lambasting the use of this word will simultaneously cry about the fate of the "Aborigines" and "Native Americans" at the hands of colonists. Indigenous peoples who also, at some point far back in the mists of time, walked out of the cradle of Africa.

No-one denies that the way of life and culture of the Aborigines and Native Americans was compromised by colonisation. People may argue subtleties over to what extent a culture can be protected when it collides with overwhelming technological superiority and numbers. But there is no one who doesn't express sadness at the fate of those people.

So are the Native Americans and the Aborigines the only peoples in history who have had a way of life whose passing can be mourned?
Will we not mourn the passing of the indigenous Italians, French, Swedes? Or are the Aborigines and Native Americans the only peoples who can claim the word indigenous for reasons unknown?

(I accept we are definitely not going to mourn the passing of the British as we deserve everything we get.)

Saga are you being sarcastic?

Absolutely that to Surgical and MrsD's posts.

Watch Cathy Come Home, read some social history. Whatever our economic woes at the moment this is probably the best time there's ever been to be a British woman. And we haven't got there by being regressive or resistant to change.

Scatter for the hundredth time - please tell me what this 'British way of life' is that you're suddenly missing?

WHAT IS BRITISH/ENGLISH WAY OF LIFE AND CULTURE

if anyone EVER answers this I will die happy

and in what way is it being 'lost'

I am English - my grandfather was Welsh and my Father came over from Ireland aged 2 - so where do I get sent back to?

You wish you could vote loud and proud? Well why can't you? Is it because you find yourself slightly embarrassed/ashamed to be voting UKIP? That might be the reason you want to voice your political views anonymously.

Gosh it's getting rather OTT in here.

MrsD is correct that conditions were awful in the East End decades ago.

Scatter is also correct that there used to be a stronger sense of British 'self' though too, I'd have thought. WWs 1 and 2 being good examples of when it came to the fore.

Why does it have to be "either or"?

Define indigenous and tell me where the line is? 1970s? Further back? 1900s? Are we including the Polish who flew Spitfires? The Hugenots? The Vikings? The Anglo Saxons? The Celts? The Normans?

No I'm not being sarcastic! Why on earth would you think that?