to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

[Mumof4worried]

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

So I guess if you're homegrown and pure, none of your relatives or ancestors are foreign-born?

No. I'm saying that people that have lived in a country for decades and paid in to the system, should always get priority. As there are finite resources, there is not the money left for those that have just arrived.

So, you are all for second class citizens? Yeah, can't see anything going wrong with that.

I can see why we can't let the world in, and there may have been an argument for delaying the free movement of new entrants to the EU even longer (though I don't think a good one), but what you have said baffles me. Once people are resident and paying into the system there should be no priority. That's a disaster waiting to happen.

This I think goes to the heart of UKIP policies. They don't account for anything beyond the first order affect. Yes, as an immigrant I haven't paid into the British system all my life (boo-hiss me). But guess what? I haven't been taking from it either. Some other country educated me, and Britain got that for free. I have been working and paying tax in this country less than a day after my flight arrived.

This is not meant to be anecdotal argument. Fully trained immigrants entering at the beginning of their work lives are, my guess, quite representative.

Yes Saga just like our own dear Queen, gawd bless 'er.

On one hand people are complaining about MH funding being reduced (for example), and on the other are fighting for the right of anyone to come here & use NHS resources.

Now in my head I see a large pot of money & when someone takes some out, there is less left.

As someone who puts money into that pot I don't think it's unreasonable that I, and my friends and family who also put money into that pot, get first dibs at spending the cash rather than someone who has been paying into a different pot or no pot at all.

I put more in than I need to take out and I really don't mind if someone from this country that can't put in any, or as much, needs to take money out too - that's as socialist as I'll get I'm afraid.

And yes - it's all down to Luck & being born here, but that's the way the cookie crumbles....

Unfortunately there is not the room or resources in Britain for the whole world to come and live here. Therefore we need controlled immigration. UKIP are the only party to offer this. Most people are under the illusion that this is somehow racist and call all UKIP voters racist hence it is very difficult to be a loud UKIP supporter. But you should certainly be a proud one OP.

Hahaha imagine saying that to an Ethiopian woman holding her dying child in her arms. "That's the way the cookie crumbles!"

Fucking humans.

This thread is making me ashamed to be British. I cannot believe people actually hold these disgusting views.

As someone who puts money into that pot I don't think it's unreasonable that I, and my friends and family who also put money into that pot, get first dibs at spending the cash rather than someone who has been paying into a different pot or no pot at all.

As someone who has lived here all your life, you have also been taking from that pot all your life. The UK paid gobs of money to educate you, treat you when you were ill, etc etc etc. In fact, for the first 18 years (or whatever) of your life you were just a money sink hole.

Anyway, I really must go and do the job I stole off one of you from the comfort of my home I stole off one of you and I might book my poorly child in for a GP appt. She's only half British mind so I will make sure she's at the back of the queue.

Saga yes I have a Doctor's appointment this afternoon but as my Dad is foreign I will call them and say don't mind me, just you treat all the home grown English people first. You know, like Peter Sutcliffe.

As someone who has lived here all your life, you have also been taking from that pot all your life. The UK paid gobs of money to educate you, treat you when you were ill, etc etc etc. In fact, for the first 18 years (or whatever) of your life you were just a money sink hole.

And as a higher rate tax payer I've paid that back in spades thanks!

And please - enough of the "dying Ethiopian baby" analogy, that crap stopped working years ago....

parsnip

I've just come back to this thread and it is quite saddening to see some of the debate on here. I think it seems nigh on impossible to have to have reasoned exchanges on this issue because the level of basic understanding about fundamental principles seems to be missing. As evidenced by the many people asking "What is British?".

50 years ago people didn't ask "What is British?". In fact just 100 years ago, at the start of WW1 people cheerfully volunteered to sacrifice their lives, such was their clarity and strength of belief in the identity of Britain. That "What is British?" is a question that is readily asked today with such genuine doubt and confusion is indicative of a decline in our culture, in standards of education and, sadly I have to say, the influence of the radical Left in society.

So we have a situation where people don't know what British is (or apparently what French, or Spanish, or Italian is). They don't know what a way of life is. They don't know what customs and culture are. They don't know how law and institutions come to exist. They don't know the statistics on past immigration and current immigration. They don't know the statistics on relative birthrates of native versus foreign born. They don't know the projections on when European host cultures are predicted to become minorities. In many cases they haven't actually been privy to seeing immigration in its current form as it has grown rapidly in towns and cities. And from this position of complete ignorance they assert that everything will be just fine.

On top of this there is the apparent moral high-ground that self-abnegation awards. To deny the validity of your own culture and existence feels noble. To denigrate it even nobler. It feels immensely sophisticated to be above petty concerns such as nationhood, affection for home, and love of a way of life. Hence we get distraction arguments like "payback for colonialism", or "lazy Brits", or "meddling foreign wars", or "all immigrants are net contributors" thrown up like chaff. All of which are designed to make the concerned person shrink back and feel ashamed of their natural desire to preserve their culture.

Again I would reiterate that is perfectly acceptable to hold a position where you think that where we are headed is a good thing. Greater immigration, greater diversity, multiplication of cultures within a nation all with different ideas on the ways of life they want to lead, increasing minoritisation of the original host culture (whether this is British or French or Italian etc). All of this some people may feel is a source of celebration.

Personally I feel discomfort at all the loss that this entails. I am angry at the reckless approach from our political leaders to our future harmony. And I feel immense sorrow for our children and grandchildren who will have to navigate uncharted waters in a country, and a Europe, that is unrecognisable from that of my childhood.

Saga yes I have a Doctor's appointment this afternoon but as my Dad is foreign I will call them and say don't mind me, just you treat all the home grown English people first. You know, like Peter Sutcliffe.

Will you pout & stamp your foot while saying it? That'll show me....

Katie Hopkins, is that you??

IKnowIAm and what about my Dad? When he came here in terrible health after being tortured starved and improsoned, he should have waited his turn behind a little old white lady with a cough, right??

For the sake of balance before anyone thinks only people with recent immigration in their family is anti UKIP I'd like to say the last non British ancestor of mine came here in about 1770 :) And I still think UKIP are awful.

Therefore we need controlled immigration. UKIP are the only party to offer this.

You must be very distracted (or something else), as the UK already has immigration controls. Quite strict in fact. Not to EU countries, but the reverse also applies. Remember this next time you want to travel within the EU and don't have to apply for a tourist visa.

The top 10 destinations for Britons are (in ascending order):

Channel Islands: 73,030
Germany: 96,938
France: 172,806
Ireland: 253,605
South Africa: 305,660
New Zealand: 313,850
Spain: 381,025
Canada: 674,371
United States of America: 758,919
Australia: 1,277,474

Total: over 5M

From the Guardian:
Germany has the highest number of foreign citizens in Europe: 7.2m. The UK is third with just over 4m
Latvia has the highest number of non-EU citizens: 17.5%

So, it looks like brits abroad: 5M, immigrants in the UK: 4M...

Many more European countries are doing well with much more immigration than the UK.

Nail on the head scatter! Best post I've seen on here!

Katie Hopkins, is that you??

Could Be!!

I'll leave you all to it, it's irrelevant as UKIP won't be getting into a position of power anyway, fun watching you all get excited though!

Scatter, I live in inner city London. I have been 'privy' to seeing immigration as it happens, thanks. That doesn't alter my opinions in the slightest.

Hitler would be rolling over in his grave at that fact!

Scatteroflight.

Spot on.

And as a higher rate tax payer I've paid that back in spades thanks!

but you seem to be saying it's not about what you put in (you said that you are happy to pay for someone who is here and not contributing) and say that people who haven't been contributing all their lives should go back to the back of the queue. Why? why does that make any sense morally if in fact over their lifetime they put more in than take out? (forget about the social consequences of having second class citizens). So, it appears this really has nothing to do with economics or justice, just some strange misplaced idea of the other. The problem is that UKIP and their voters present this as sound economics that's right and just. It's neither.

Did they really volunteer to protect Britishness? They surely volunteered to protect Britain and the home fires or to do their duty or as a great big adventure. Propaganda and spin had them volunteering. And when the supply of volunteers dried up they conscripted men. Finding that the men of this country were malnourished and poorly educated.
The causes weren't noble - it was a fight over land and money and power.