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to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

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Mumof4worried · 22/04/2015 19:09

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

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GiddyOnZackHunt · 23/04/2015 09:59

Catgirl - we could probably throw in going out for a pint or ten down the boozer or the spinster riding her bicycle down a country lane to church.

SinisterBunnyMonth · 23/04/2015 10:00

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ComposHatComesBack · 23/04/2015 10:04

Can I invite potential UKIP voters to think for just a second.

I think you ask too much of them.

goodnessgraciousgouda · 23/04/2015 10:06

OP - I am not going to be rude to you, even though it would be quite easy to do so...

Firstly, as other people have pointed out, do you actually know any of the other policy lines of UKIP? Everyone focuses on immigration, but they AREN'T a one issue party anymore. Even if you might agree with their stance on immigration, please please do look into their stance on other issues. I personally would not want to live in a country run by a party employing people who make horrifically homophobic statements. Who make disgusting statements about women and rape. You say your brother is gay - how would you like him to have to live in a society run by people who would, quite literally, consider him abhorrent?

Secondly, you may wish to read some background information about the party. When UKIP was first established (by a different man) it had a clause in all the registration forms which specifically stated that it was NOT a racist party, that they had no issue with people of different ethnicities, and that you had to basically sign a form to say you weren't a racist fuck. That sounds like a pretty reasonable way to ensure that you don't attract a bunch of racist nationalists doesn't it? One of the first things Farage did was scrap it.

Why would he need to do this? What possible motive could there be for getting rid of it?

Thirdly, UKIP wouldn't even be able to do about half of what they are suggesting. NOT unless they would be happy to completely isolate themselves from the rest of the developed worlds.

All that stuff about refugees? Yes, we could do less for refugees and still abide by the convention. But we would never just be able to deport people without processing their claim. How would we deport them anyway if we don't have any travel documentation for them? Where would we send them??? Basically they'd have to work out a way around this (which considering the IQ's of the people inside the party is unlikely) or just leave the Convention of Human Rights.

Then we'd have the UN to deal with. Or maybe we'd just leave the UN and no longer have any say in massive, massive amounts of international law (that we would have to abide with if we wanted to, you know, trade).

So we stop EU immigrants coming in. That works both ways. We isolate ourselves hugely again, from any of the law coming out of the EU, which, AGAIN, we would still have to follow if we wanted to trade.

There are countries on the continent like Turkey that have to implement huge amounts of legislation they get absolutely no say in.

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:09

She has mental health issues. She is voting UKIP

Disgusting to imply that somebody is making the wrong voting choice because of MH issues.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 23/04/2015 10:12

No, I was implying to be proud of it you'd have to be. Grin

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:13

I'd probably prefer someone to vote UKIP than Labour TBH as I think Labour are the absolute worst thing that could happen to this country

If labour got in, I think I would gladly become an immigrant Grin They made enough of a mess last time.

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:17

The NHS capacity problems are due to smoking (yup Farage, but you don't like facts do you) and heavy drinking.

And the fact that so many people now show no self-control over what goes in their pie holes, which contribute to obesity related illness, diabetes being a major one, has nothing to do with the strain on the NHS?

Collaborate · 23/04/2015 10:19

If you're ashamed of who you're voting for, you're voting for the wrong candidate.

Happy to help.

BifsWif · 23/04/2015 10:19

Please educate yourself OP. It worries me that such ignorant people are even allowed to vote.

parsnipbob · 23/04/2015 10:19

Goldy you sound like a real warm hearted, compassionate specimen of humanity. Hmm

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:22

She has mental health issues. She is voting UKIP

Disgusting to imply that somebody is making the wrong voting choices because of MH issues. Sad

No, I was implying to be proud of it you'd have to be. grin

Try saying that on the Mental Health boards. I don't think you would last long.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 23/04/2015 10:22

Here's hoping goldy.

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:23

parsnipbob, I am a compassionate person. (ou don't see me making fun of people with mental health problems for one)

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 23/04/2015 10:23

goldy the mental health boards would know when a remark is made in jest. Shame you don't.

parsnipbob · 23/04/2015 10:24

Oh Goldy, stop trying to paint yourself as all nice and sympathetic to those with MH issues when it suits you, when a few posts ago you were cheerfully saying we shouldn't give HIV treatment to those who need it.

And I'm speaking as someone with numerous MH issues by the way.

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:25

Goldy you sound like a real warm hearted, compassionate specimen of humanity

What about the person who has shown no compassion for smokers and drinkers? Also addictions?
Why are you not saying that they are showing no compassion?

GiddyOnZackHunt · 23/04/2015 10:26

Hey goldy can you tell us what UKIP and the Tories will be doing to improve things for people with mental illness?

parsnipbob · 23/04/2015 10:26

Because they weren't saying we shouldn't treat those people. You, on the other hand, were suggesting we shouldn't treat those with HIV.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 23/04/2015 10:26

I don't even know why you are singling me out. Why has the fact I said I only know one UKIP'er and that UKIP nare an embarrassment where I am from got your goat so much? There are plenty here who have criticised UKIP, yet you insist on spinning my statement to I guess try and make me look bad and what? For you look great? UKIP look not as bad? I'm not sure what the objective is there, aside from looking like a bully.

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:26

when a few posts ago you were cheerfully saying we shouldn't give HIV treatment to those who need it

At least I'm not stupid enough to say that a poster has said something they haven't!

Please show me where exactly I have said anything about HIV?

I suggest you reread all the posts and start quoting the right people, eh Bob?
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goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:28

Good question.
It would be interesting to know - What will the other parties be doing for people with mental health problems?

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 10:29

Bob, please refer me to this post? I think you're getting a bit mixed up Confused

catgirl1976 · 23/04/2015 10:30

You mean you've decided you're voting UKIP without reading the other manifestos goldy?

parsnipbob · 23/04/2015 10:30

I apologise, all the bigotry sounds the same to me.

In any case, it amounts to the same thing if you vote UKIP. They would stop HIV and other life saving treatments for immigrants. Among many other atrocious proposals. Therefore I cannot see how anyone who would vote for them has a shred of compassion for other human beings. But by all means vote away, if school places/a and e wait times are more important to you.