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to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

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Mumof4worried · 22/04/2015 19:09

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

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ChoudeBruxelles · 23/04/2015 07:38

Really do you think the prob with the nhs is people coming here for HIV treatment? How many people do you think actually do that?

It's such a simplified argument made simple by a rich banker for simple people

LikeIcan · 23/04/2015 07:42

Everyone who requires the NHS is human, but not everyone gets treatment - & even if they do get treated waiting lists are sometimes very long. You ll be the first moaning about cuts in benefits yet you happily overlook the subject I've just mentioned.

chiefbrody · 23/04/2015 07:43

I live in an area where I never meet or see any ''foreign'' people. I have not seen a ''black'' [sorry if that offends] in years where I live.......

I work in a shop, never serve any foreign people.

I never have a problem getting a doctors appointment, went to a and e two weeks ago waited about one hour.......... schools are fine.

So you do the maths no foreign people here and we have no problems.....

Although I agree with a lot of what Farage has said I will not be voting for him.

LikeIcan · 23/04/2015 07:45

& I don't know how much HIV treatment costs - but to keep just one person on an expensive set of drugs for their entire life is not going to be cheap.

purplemeggie · 23/04/2015 07:47

You absolutely can vote for UKIP "loud and proud" as you put it. If you want people in RL to say to your face the things that they have said here. Otherwise, I suggest you don't mention it.

Dawndonnaagain · 23/04/2015 07:56

chiefbrody I too live in an area with very few foreign people. I still waited four hours in A&E last month. Hmm
I have waited a week to get dd a doctors appointment and she's on the see as quickly as possible list, and there is a problem with overcrowding in schools. So, doing the maths, I still come up with immigration causing the problems that many claim is a nonsense.

merrymouse · 23/04/2015 07:56

I used to think the term 'fascist left' was a joke, but I honestly think some on here would throw UKIP voters in a dungeon never to be seen again ( yay for democracy !! )

Farage thinks Evan Davies is liberal metropolitan elite. The BBC studio audience are 'too left wing'. You think mumsnet is 'the fascist left'.

There comes a point when it should become apparent that maybe the problem is UKIP.

BigRedBall · 23/04/2015 07:58

Id rather live in a country that is humane and helps people (regardless of where they're from, or their colour/religion) fight these terrible illnesses than live in a country that leaves them to die. I'd like our children to be taught humanity. Not how to be a monstrous. UKIP are monsters. Luckily I live in a place where they'll never get in.

chiefbrody · 23/04/2015 07:59

DAWN..... Do you agree with me then or not.......that immigration does cause problems with education health etc

Icimoi · 23/04/2015 07:59

LikeIcan, that's a very slippery slope. If we're going to say that immigrants shouldn't be given expensive treatment for HIV, I assume we are also going to say they shouldn't be given expensive treatment for anything. But that then opens the door to saying there is a subclass that isn't entitled to expensive treatments. So people will say - let's not treat prisoners. Then it will be the unemployed, which will include large swathes of people who are unemployed because they are disabled. Then it is the elderly. Then we extend the principle beyond medical treatment to, say, housing - let's put them all in great big camps. And, given that UKIP have openly said that they want to shove the disabled away in institutions anyway, that won't be a stretch.

Do you want to live in that world?

Icimoi · 23/04/2015 08:01

chiefbrody, do you agree or not that immigration constitutes a net financial gain to this country? And do you think that might actually be beneficial to education, health etc?

Threesoundslikealot · 23/04/2015 08:04

UKIP does a very good line in explaining why anyone who disagrees with them does not have a valid opinion. 87% of the polling public is currently of that mindset, and has decided that UKIP and its policies are not the answer. UKIP may win just one seat in Parliament. Plenty of them will not be voting for a left wing party. So I'm not sure the pointless metropolitan elite or the fascist left are all entirely to blame.

The longest I've ever waited in A&E was in Bognor Regis in 1990. I don't think I was behind a giant queue of foreigners at the time.

Threesoundslikealot · 23/04/2015 08:05

Sorry, plenty of those who do not back UKIP will not be voting for a left wing party.

FishWithABicycle · 23/04/2015 08:08

It's not at all racist to discuss immigration. But discussing it does also mean listening to the arguments in favour of the free flow,of people, as well as having your own opportunity to repeat what you've been told by media with a vested interest in convincing you that immigration is bad.

I sympathise with your difficulties OP but they weren't caused by immigration. In 2012 there were 63,000 more people who emigrated away from the UK than immigrated in. UK citizens benefit from the right to live and work elsewhere in the EU too. High house prices, overcrowded schools and long a&e waiting times are the result of right-wing policies (both Tory and NewLabour) and will not be solved by a party that is even more right wing.

You should vote for whoever you want. If you don't feel proud of doing so then perhaps spend a little more time thinking about why that is.

popalot · 23/04/2015 08:18

You need to get more informed about their policies. The immigration line is a hook to get the vote. If you vote for them know that you are opening the door to the rest of their agenda, which is basically aimed at empowering white men and removing power from anyone else (including you as a woman and mother).

Look at their policies on maternity leave, for example, They don;t think you should have it.

Look at what they think about downs syndrome; they don't think they should exist.

And what they say about the floods; caused by gay marriage (which will probably be outlawed).

Basically, if you only look at the immigration hook you are foolishly walking into the trap of voting for a party that does't respect you.

Also, what is going to be successful about their immigration policy? We are part of europe and the world, it is how things work now. PLenty of us go abroad and live in other countries, just like many come here to live. KNow anyone who moved to Spain/France/America/Canada/Australia? I know plenty. Much of our economy is based on migrant workers - farming our brocolli etc etc. It's just naive to think that a party can suddenly shut the borders and our economy will be just dandy.

Look again at other party's policies on immigration, they might have a better policy for you. Even the lib dems talk about 'good' and 'bad' immigration.

thegreylady · 23/04/2015 08:24

I just don't know who to vote for. I have voted Labour for 50 years since I was 21. The Labour Party I voted for died with John Smith.
I cannot vote for the Conservatives to whom most of the population only exist until they have put their crosses on the ballot papers.
I can't vote Lib Dem (who could).
I'm not Scottish or Welsh and the very existence of UKIP embarrasses me.
It will have to be Green I think though, having listened to the radio debate with Natalie Bennet(?) I have my doubts there too.
As for immigration, I am a believer in letting all people live free from poverty and oppression and as long as so many countries make that impossible then we should do what we can. We should also acknowledge the size of our island and the limitations on our resources.
I just don't know who to vote for.

catgirl1976 · 23/04/2015 08:28

Patsy - why on earth would anyone mind if some immigrants moved in next door? Confused What an odd thing to say.

I don't mind who moves in next door as long as they don't play loud music all night, are abusive, or nick my parking spot. Other than that, I couldn't give a monkeys who they are or where they are from.

parsnipbob · 23/04/2015 08:30

Chief brody, read Dawn's post properly. She clearly says your claims are nonsense as she lives in an area with few immigrants and still has issues with school places and waiting times.

In any case, as a pp said, even if immigrants were to blame for these issues, I'd rather live in a country that treats them like human beings than one that puts school places over treating someone with HIV!!!

Renniehorta · 23/04/2015 08:33

I was an immigrant to Peterborough back in 1981. I went to work there because the housing was cheap and there were plenty of jobs. I seem to remember a large number of Italian immigrants also drawn there by availability of work.

Where are they now? They have merged into the general population, often through marriage, retired to Italy or died.

I was thinking about this the other day when I was in Sainsburys in Peterborough, surrounded by Poles, Lithuanians etc. They will cease to be an identifiable minority like the Italians. They have been drawn to Peterborough for the cheap housing and jobs like so many of us before them.

By the way I came from London. We incomers were also disliked heartily by the indigenous Peterborians who have never discriminated in their dislike of immigrants.

It is a very strange place to live.

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 08:54

You absolutely can vote for UKIP "loud and proud" as you put it. If you want people in RL to say to your face the things^ that they have said here. Otherwise, I suggest you don't mention it.

Well you see this is interesting thing.

It's mainly on Mumsnet that I have heard these anti-UKIP spoutings.
In RL I've heard lots of people saying they will be voting UKIP.

And nobody minds them mentioning it as you put it.

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 08:55

Sorry, plenty of those who do not back UKIP will not be voting for a left wing party.

True

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 09:00

Rennihorta,
As an immigrant who has lived here a long time,
How do you feel about lots more immigrants coming in?
Some friends of ours from Poland say that they now they are here, they don't want too many more people entering the UK, because it will upset the applecart for them.

I find it interesting, because nobody usually bothers to ask the immigrants who have managed to get in what they think!

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 23/04/2015 09:00

goldy not true where I live. UKIP is an embarrassment. I only know one person who is voting for them. She has mental health issues and thinks the UK are "turning Muslim." Hmm

Tanith · 23/04/2015 09:04

I live in an area with high immigration. Thing is, though, they're mostly white from South Africa, Australia, America and Germany.

Not very much UKIP presence around here. I think that's because they aren't bothered by immigration at all - just by non-white people.

goldylookingpane · 23/04/2015 09:05

goldy not true where I live. UKIP is an embarrassment.

What point are you trying to prove, Saga?
Where I live Labour is an embarrassment. So what.

I only know one person who is voting for them. She has mental health issues

And how awful to make fun of someone with mental health issues. So now you think that people with mental health issues shouldn't be allowed to vote?

I thought labour voters were supposed to be more empathetic than that.