To wish cafes would have a designated smoking area...

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..which is completely separate from non smoking areas so I would be able to sit outside and enjoy the 'fresh' air without smoking the equivalent of 20 fucking fags!

Because you're irritating and whiney and we don't want to hear you.

Mythical

These threads always make me want to go and buy ten, just to annoy the whiners.

They say something but it's a throwaway comment, i.e. one that's not taken too seriously.

Ummm have you been present when my non smoking friend had a barney with my smoking friend? How do you know it's 'throwaway'?

It was taken seriously. They had an 'energetic' exhange of views.

Sorry if I misunderstood squoosh, I think it was you who said it was a throwaway comment which gives the impression of it not being taken seriously.

How did the energetic exchange of views end?

I think with the smoker stomping outside for a fag muttering under her breath.

I no longer smoke so I straddle being happy I'm no longer a smoker and not being able to get hugely worked up if someone near me is smoking.

I had this conversation with a smoker recently. I suggested that by smoking in public areas they are inflicting their 2nd hand smoke on others, which is unfair.

Their suggestion was for non smokers to wear face masks

I'm an ex smoker and possibly even worse than a complete non smoker. It fucking stinks!!

but strangely smells nice when I'm pissed and scaving fags

Face masks

Maybe cafes can have little pots with free vapour fags in them ! Ooooh at Christmas you could have mulled wine and spiced Apple flavour

Deb had it;

I feel sorry for smokers who have had to sit outside all winter, freezing while drinking their coffee because they (quite rightly) can't sit indoors. Then all of a sudden the sun comes out and they get moaned at because no one wants them to smoke outside ether.

All the poor smokers have lost digits to frostbite by the time the sun finally appears.

Hoiky yummy mummies advancing on them sqwawking is going to attract more(closet) sympathy for the smokers than they realise.

Same thing with the rough sleepers. Nobody's rushing to take their place on the benches when there's snow and hail.

I was part of an embarrassed gathering where the 'stink of the returning smoker' was indeed brought up.

Said person bounced back into the group and started chatting away and about four people quite literally pushed their chairs back, totally involuntarily, the smell was indeed foul. Really foul. Made your eyes water. She noticed of course and there was an awkward moment and then someone suggested she go breathe it out for a minute or two and we'd hold the conversation.

She couldn't have been more embarrassed if she'd turned round and farted in everyone's face. Actually, that would probably have been less noticeable

Sqwawking? Squawking?

Joyful - would that be the same vapour cigs they are now reporting have 30 times the amount of cancerogenics than regular cigs?!?!

Well at least they smell better wind? Can't see anybody complaining about spiced Apple and mulled wine...

You'd still be breathing in the second hand vapours!!

WindMeUpAndLetMeGo what report is that?

E-fags do not have 30 times the amount of carcinogens than fags. Quote from ASH itself:

Although electronic cigarettes do not produce smoke, users exhale a smoke-like vapour which consists largely of propylene glycol and glycerine. The level of nicotine present in electronic cigarette vapour is about one tenth of that generated by a cigarette. Any health risks of secondhand exposure to propylene glycol vapour are likely to be limited to irritation of the throat. One study exposed animals to propylene glycol for 12 to 18 months at doses 50 to 700 times the level the animal could absorb through inhalation. Compared to animals living in normal room atmosphere, no localised or generalised irritation was found and kidney, liver, spleen and bone marrow were all found to be normal. A recent review of the impact of electronic cigarettes noted that passive exposure to the aerosol can expose non-users to nicotine but at concentrations that are unlikely to have any pharmacological significance.

You can find all kinds of e-fag scaremongering if you want, of course. Equally, you can find all sorts of actual research. Don't panic around vapers. It's probably more akin to someone drinking a hot coffee next to you.

All the poor smokers have lost digits to frostbite by the time the sun finally appears.

(wipes tears from eyes). Well the lack of digits should help them give up the fags then shouldn't it.

Bloody hell Teeste - don't let the facts get in the way of a bit of biased bullshit hysteria!

I read it yesterday, can't remember where it was, will try and find it.

I hate the vape cigs, they are meant to help people quit, yet you see them being used where you aren't even allowed to smoke, annoys me - and I smoke

As for the comparisons with BO, halitosis etc, although these type of odours can also be vom inducing sometimes, I do feel genuine sympathy for anyone with this as it may well be due to a medical condition or similar which is difficult to control. I don't automatically assume they can't be arsed wash or brush their teeth.

I've never felt sorry for smokers sitting outside like frozen snotters on a cold day having a fag. And I say that as an ex (social) smoker.

Stinkersmum

WindMeUpAndLetMeGo I'd be interested to see who funded that report/research.

As for the rest of your comment. Why can't ecigs be used where you're not allowed to smoke - it's not smoking! Ecigs are not used by most of the vapers that I know to quit smoking. They're used as a cheaper, non cancerous alternative to smoking.

forago maybe those smokers want to sit outside anyway, just as you do. How will you complain about that?

Nobody wants to stop them sitting outside, they just want to stop them smoking while they're out there.

My comment about the second hand vapours didn't read right - it was meant in the way that even if smokers did all have nice smelling vapes then the non-smokers would still complain (sleep deprived and not making much sense!)

I'll just add, I switched from smoking to vaping 3 years ago. Stopped vaping when I found out I was pregnant. Will defend the legal rights of anyone to vape or smoke.