To wish cafes would have a designated smoking area...

[ilooklikemrsploppy]

..which is completely separate from non smoking areas so I would be able to sit outside and enjoy the 'fresh' air without smoking the equivalent of 20 fucking fags!

People generally smoke because they're addicted. Being dramatic about their cavalier disregard for your feelings is neither here nor there.

Mmmm so addicted that they probably can't even hold down a job, because you can't smoke in the workplace can you. Or just selfish.

It's mainly a mental addiction rather than a physical one but mental addictions are pretty powerful. Telling smokers they're being selfish will do diddly squat to stop them smoking.

windmeup me too! Last time I tried to quit my boss went and bought me 20 after a particularly bad day at work. Unfortunately my bullshit tolerance level drops when I don't smoke.

So it's up to you all, I can smoke and sit peacefully with my coffee outside a cafe enjoying the sunshine ive waited all winter for. Of course making sure I stub out if you choose to sit yourself and kids next to me or you order food or you politely ask me not too. Or I can not smoke, be in a foul mood and not have the patience to deal with your little horrors screaming and trying climb all over me. I'm looking at you woman in pub garden last week who expected me entertain your badly behaved and snotty bratschildren for several hours

Grantaire surely the direction of the wind etc would have an effect? Is it just smoke or are there other air pollutants that affect him?

TulipOHare

squoosh, telling somebody they are being selfish to smoke in a certain place isn't designed to stop them smoking. The NHS, campaigns and support are there to do that.

The bottom line is that smoking is unpleasant and damaging. It is a horrible addiction and I make no value judgments about the addiction itself. There are choices that should be made by society and can be made by individuals which make the world a happier place for everybody.

I wish nobody smoked and for their own health and pocket, not mine. As long as the addiction prevails, I just think it could be better managed in public spaces, particularly in spaces designed for enjoyment of something else. Closely packed together tables put there for the specific purpose of allowing people to share outside space with refreshment probably aren't the place for smokers to indulge.

Stinkers, lots of things affect him. Some of those things society has a clear choice about. Others it doesn't.

All the anti smokers do realise they can just not sit next to smokers?!?! Your legs work just as well as ours you know

It's karma. You antis wanted smoking banned indoors? You got it. Stop complaining that it's now outdoors. Where else is smoking supposed to be?

ilooklikemrsploppy I'm in Maine. No smoking in indoor or outdoor dining areas, beaches, playgrounds, state parks or in vehicles where children under 16 are present.

With you there, Tulip.

Anti-smokers DO think that the world revolves around them. It doesn't.

I am not a smoker, but I am not "anti" smokers so long as they smoke outside.

I am happy with the ban on smoking inside pubs, restaurants, cafes, hotels and on public transport etc. It appears to work well.

The very point of only allowing smoking outside is that it dissipates quickly there, and people are able to get away from it or steer clear.

All this talk of banning smoking outside and sometimes even in smokers' own homes is over the top. We have gone far enough down that route.

Get over it. When you walk along a street you breathe in a fair old dose of carcinogenic exhaust fumes, but you can't get away from that (only lessen if if you sit inside).

There is no magic solution.

It's karma. You antis wanted smoking banned indoors? You got it. Stop complaining that it's now outdoors. Where else is smoking supposed to be?

Maybe in a small yellow square somewhere in a street?

All the anti smokers do realise they can just not sit next to smokers?!?! Your legs work just as well as ours you know

So, I was sitting in a restaurant at a table by the window recently. The window was wide open, and there were tables outside. The restaurant was full. After our food had arrived and we had started eating, someone came and sat at a table just outside the window and lit up: clouds of smoke started drifting in through the window.

WindMeUp, would you care to explain to me how I could "just not sit next to smokers" in this case? And indeed why I should have had to move in the middle of my meal purely in order to avoid them?

I understand why people moan about smoking.... But moaning about vaping?? Really??

Get the fuck over it.

Icimoi shutting the window might have worked....

Icimoi "clouds of smoke", through an open window, bit overdramatic no?

Chicken I was moaning about vaping and I smoke, just one of my pet peeves

I HATE the way that the outdoors is now the domain of smokers. I WANT to sit outside too, enjoying the air/sun etc. I don't want to be engulfed in smoke, nor deal with smelly ashtrays.

It's all well and good saying go and sit somewhere else, but ALL the tables end up as smokers tables and it renders the entire area unpleasant for those who don't.

I think it should be vaping only in a public area/restaurant etc

Hissy go sit indoors then. You have a choice. Smokers don't.

Icimoi shutting the window might have worked....

Icimoi "clouds of smoke", through an open window, bit overdramatic no?

actually having a smoker sat 2 feet away through a window with the wind blowing the smoke IN does result in clouds of smoke, and why on earth should someone shut a window on a sunny day when (a) they were there first and chose to sit there, and (b) it's not their window to close.

Smokers DO have a choice.

NOT to smoke. I have more right to use the outside space than a smoker.

I don't cause any detriment whatsoever to the enjoyment of an outdoor space, i cause no mess.

Smokers are making an active choice to slowly kill themselves and inflict harm and inconvenience on others smoke tobacco. they don't need to do it.

Where else is smoking supposed to be?

In the privacy of your own yellowed, stinking homes....

just a thought?

Hissy you DO NOT have more rights to anything.

Oh and btw we are all dying, one of the few certainties in life I'm afraid

WindMeUpAndLetMeGo - my legs work very well thank you. As I explained up thread, I have moved twice and on both occasions 2 smokers have then came and sat next to me.

And I understand that the idea of having the smokers outside is that the smoke will dissipate more easily but when you're sitting down wind of a few of them there is a constant stream of smoke blowing straight into your face it feels like it's never going to bloody end. There will no doubt be cries of me being over dramatic and exaggeration but I actually felt quite nauseous today when I smelled it. Wonder if I'm preggers ?

Hissy

'They were there first'? 'I have more right to use outside space'?

1 - grow up
2 - no you don't