To wish cafes would have a designated smoking area...

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..which is completely separate from non smoking areas so I would be able to sit outside and enjoy the 'fresh' air without smoking the equivalent of 20 fucking fags!

at embarrassed. Oh do get over yourself.

Why do they have to smoke the entire time, surely they like a peaceful coffee luke the rest of us. You'd think they could refrain for 5 minutes.

Embarrassed that they're being so rude.

Like

A coffee and a fag so goes together, so does a tipple and a fag. Do you not think Im peaceful when doing this? Get that rod out of your backside really

It's just selfish, everyone knows it.

I'm sure you'd not like someone burping in your face, that's how gross it is.

Thankfully I don't know any smokers.

You however are being rude custard, I can just see it now, tutting and pursing your lips like youve just sucked a lemon

Thanks be to God and all the blessed saints.

Actually, I'd just leave.

Our children probably will live in a smoke free world at some point

Yes.... while planet Earth is going down the shitter, people are blowing each other up, climate change is wreaking havoc across ecosystems, food is being sprayed with more and more pesticides, fish are growing two heads, farm animals are eating more and more processed crap and air pollution is destroying our atmosphere you can sleep easy in your bed knowing your children do not have to endure someone having a fag in a park somewhere in the UK.

A local ice cream parlour has outdoor seating and it is blighted by people smoking. Totally ruins a trip there to the extent that we don't go anymore. Smoking should not be allowed in eating areas or children's play areas.

Oh do get over yourself DrC and all of you. It's really quite ridiculous to get so het up, find another "cause" far more worthy of your anger

Custardcream14 'Actually, I'd just leave.'

That'd be worth lighting up for.

i only find this an issue if it's a very small outside space but yanbu it would be a nice idea!

You are just bound by the same rules and regulations which govern a lot of behaviour. Some things you can do in some places, some things you can't.

So, Grantaire, applying your reasoning, why when currently it's ok to smoke outside many cafes, do you not suggest that non-smokers should simply accept this?

Why are you saying smokers should accept that they can't smoke in some places but non-smokers don't have to accept the places that smoking is allowed?

I love where I live. There's a ban on smoking within 25 feet of any public place/place of business/restaurant, bar/residential apartment building/balconies etc... There's also a bill currently under consideration to ban smoking in all city parks. I don't care if people want to smoke and I also don't think it should be criminalized but I do think of it as a public nuisance issue, like loud music or dog waste. It's especially important in my city to have these restrictions on smoking because I live in a state where recreational use of marijuana is permitted and that stuff smells truly vile.

In not sure where I stand on this.

As an asthmatic non smoker I do think smoking is a selfish, fairly rancid and inconsiderate habit.
It directly affects the people around you in a negative way. Not nice.

However as smoking is still a legal activity I do think that there should be more comfortable smoking areas available to you, if you do choose to do it.

I think its an area where we need to rely on our ability to be considerate to each other rather than introduce more laws that dictate the way we live. Its a slippery slope IMO.

Colorado or California, Rain? Such model states. Don't smoke, oh no!, just murder each other left and right with loads of guns and violence due to drug trade, or by cop if you are black.

Very important, cracking down on smoking in the US, keeps the eyes off the major problems there with gun violence and death, drug trade, demonisation of the poor, the disaster that is 'healthcare', zero hours/temp/agency work (goes back to demonisation of the poor), rising extremism, etc etc etc.

Expat - so you don't like the USA. Okay. I've lived here over a decade and I haven't personally experienced a crime of any sort so I won't get drawn into an "America is awful" argument thanks. Btw - In California marijuana is permitted with a prescription for medical use only, not recreationally. Washington and Colorado are the two states that permit recreational use. For all there may be wrong in this country, they have got it right with public smoking restrictions (and the legalized marijuana) here :)

I wonder which group in society will be the target for all this vitriol when smoking is eventually banned?

The obsese? The sweaty? Anyone wearing poison perfume? The flatulant? The incontinent? Anyone not driving a Prius?

Hahaha. I love America. I was born there and lived there 31 years. All my family live there. I hold dual nationality, as do my children. I go there every Summer with my two surviving children, as my father, who will be 80 soon, is not in the best of health, nor is my only sibling.

Smoking is the least of their troubles and it is ridiculous the way it is bandied about as some great cause when, well, it's pretty obvious there is so much trouble there.

Expat that's pretty damn close to "I am a Canadian" if you remember that one

Exactly, Yellow.

I was held up at gun point once in the US. I have several friends who are dead due to guns. My father, one Sunday afternoon, we were having a BBQ party and ran out of ice. So he went for more. And he didn't come back and he didn't come back.

So my BIL and cousins went around to look for them.

The petrol garage/convenience store where he'd gone was full of police. BIL, whose biological father had died of injury in Vietnam conflict was beside himself.

The store had been held up by two assailants with illegal automatic weapons. Thankfully, a store clerk had been able to press a panic button before the lot of them were herded into the back storeroom, where they turned over all their possessions and then were ordered to lie on their stomachs, with their hands at their heads.

The police arrived just in time. But they all truly believed they were going to be shot to death, one by one.

But hey, let's demonise smoking. It's the real ill. A real cause to get up in arms about. For real? WTF?

Evening all
Just popping in to spread some peace and love