To ask if anyone is actually against lgbt+ ?

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If so why? Please people no attacking I am genuinely curious. I know American is more homophobic than UK, and I think (hopefully!) this thread will be empty, but anyone with any experiences or suchlike?

Also please don't accuse me of being homophobic.
(may sound ridic to epect to be accused, but when asking someone this,^ was the reply...)

Dear! You learn something everyday.

I thought asexual was not interested in sex but could have close, meaningful relationships, in a one to one way.

I think I could do without sex pretty much. Maybe once in a while to 'clear the pipes out' but on the whole, could go without. Especially if I was in a situation where sex wasn't on the cards e.g. I was single.

Sorry, digressing and tmi...

Can't figure tumble out!!

*Tumblr

In regards to the dragon thing there was one tumblrina who tried to say her mother was starving her because she wouldn't feed her diamonds.

Now I wasn't sure if that was a troll or not because you just can't tell with them these days.

mad

Well, I haven't had sex for quite a while. I want to meet the right person who is accepting of who I am (and I'm also waiting for the right parts IYSWIM). It is a very very very long wait

(wonders if I'll ever have sex again and if so, will it feel different)

I think I'm misreading you Orlando. It read to me that you think that because people can see what ethnicity I am it therefore wont affect my relationships.
If that is what you said then I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Only very few people would have any idea by looking at me what my ethnicity is. When it has been revealed in relationships I've received some pretty horrible reactions.
If that isn't what you said then I apologise to you and I'm leaving the thread because I have PMT am feeling a bit sensitive.

Each to there own as long as no one is getting hurt

And THAT is why I hang out on MN, Grays! No otherkin, no people asking, "what's the name for my sexuality? I'm a boy and I like watching videos of men and women having sex" and then getting irate when someone sensible says, "er, heterosexual?"

And no, voyeur didn't go down well, either.

It depends I think, Mad. Some asexual people want romantic relationships and some don't. It's defined as someone who doesn't feel sexual attraction to people - you can be asexual and enjoy the feeling of masturbation, or even sex, and you can have a very low libido and not be asexual.

Grays, if you're not also on TiA I'll eat my self-diagnosed mentally ill hatkin.

When it has been revealed in relationships I've received some pretty horrible reactions

Sorry. That's really horrible. I know people are awful and I can't see why someone's ethnicity would be a problem for others. I can see why being trans is an issue.

There are some real bigots out there.

intrinsic I hope you've prepped that hatkin (are you sure it's hatkin btw, I mean it may be hatfluid) because I don't know what TiA is what is it?

spin Me too, MN may have its weird and wonderful ways but it's refreshing to be able to speak without SOMETHING offending someone

I'm sure from what I know of you on here that you will find someone Orlando.
Like with anything, taking the first plunge is hardest, especially when it comes to dating after a long break from being out there. You have to wear your heart on your sleeve, which I find particularly hard, as it opens you up to all sorts of vulnerabilities. I can't imagine how it must be for you...

Is there a name for someone whom sex and love are separate? I like the feeling of sex but don't feel it represents love. Love is complex and emotional sex is simple and physical (in my view at least) Genuine question....

As a lesbian I am surprised you don't know that some are very anti. Maybe if your friends are all fine, it is easy to think everyone is fine?
An example - some friends, a lesbian couple with kids, had last year constant harassment from neighbours including having condoms put through their door, anti lesbian things shouted at them, and anti lesbian stuff scrawled on the wall of their house. They managed to move away to escape it.
I also have lesbian friends whose family have totally rejected them for being a lesbian. They have no contact at all.

OrlandoWoolf the only 'open' asexual I've ever met was happily married to another asexual woman.

I identify as bisexual because I've only ever knowingly been attracted to men-born-men or women-born-women. I'm sure if I was attracted to someone who didn't fit the binary my definition of my sexuality would change.

lucycant that's awful about your friends I very much agree with your first paragraph though - it's so easy to fall into the trap of thinking everyone's like you and your friends, and overlooking real problems in society because of that. I take some issue with the concept of privilege, but I do think it's spot on in that a lot of us are blind to the problems that LGBT people, non-white people, women (for men) etc face unless we listen to their experiences.

For you, Grays And I was so sure! It's a bit of a mixed bag, but mostly decent people and good for a laugh...

My best friend is gay, but cannot be open as he works for the police service and homophobia is rife.

My son (daughter?) is transgender. I know, but he doesn't feel ready to come out fully as is concerned that DH and grandparents etc will not take it well.

Yes. There are people who make it uncomfortable (or unsafe) to be open about certain parts of one's life.

I don't have a problem with PEOPLE, provided of course they aren't total fuckwits (regardless of any kind of sexual orientation)

I am not keen on this apparent obsession of developing a label for every single possible sexual inclination and potential variant.

Like Pan sexual for example - the definition being given upthread seems very anti trans to me. If a bi sexual woman starts a relationship with a trans male, then all of a sudden she is pan sexual? What? Surely if you are going along with a positive trans attitude then that's a totally unnecessary, and pretty cruel, distinction to be making.

Not everything has to have such a specific label on it. Someone upthread was talking about ethnicity. A rough equivalent would be starting with labels like

I'm french
I'm Russian-Portugeuse
I'm a word which means I am specifically a mix of irish and french, but lived outside of those countries and now reside in country X
I'm a word which means that my parents are from X, I live in Y, but I have a passport to Q.

People can call themselves whatever they like, but at some point it does become quite ridiculous in it's...what, unnecessity?

I am personally very pro gay marriage and gay adoption. However, I can see how for some people, they associate "marriage" with their particular religious faith. If that faith does not allow homosexuality, then they consider allowing gay marriage as being an insult to the written law of their faith.

What they don't seem to understand is that marriage has been around long before christianity was invented. Or Islam. Judaism maybe but I can't think of any specific examples offhand.

No specific religion "owns" the concept of marriage.

However, I would be against forcing churches to conduct gay marriages. That would be forcing them to breech their faith.

I'm not so sure why people would be against gay adoption. In France even very secular people are against it. It's quite bizarre. Maybe they think it's a communicable thing?

I have also met people who say they are fine with people being lesbian or gay, until their child comes out. Then they react very badly.

Thought this thread might appreciate this: Pretentious is not a sexual orientation

(on the subject of sapiosexual)

IntrinsicFieldSubtractor

Just realised I am a redditor who subs to that! I just completely forgot the shortened TIA.

What are we doing with our lives

Kids definitely were very homophobic when I was at school.

Both older primary kids and secondary age as well. I am not that old btw, but no idea if things have changed.

The awful thing is, this wasn't really challenged by the teachers; although other types of prejudices were. We had it drilled into us almost daily that racism wasn't acceptable, Martin Luther King speech, blah, blah, blah and to a certain extent why prejudice against disabled people wasn't acceptable either. Yet nothing about homophobia or sexism at all.

Why is trans lumped in with the list of sexualities? It isn't one

I'm gay.....and I have met plenty of people who are anti.....my parents for example....they seem ok with my sibling being gay because he doesn't have a partner therefore they don't have to deal with that. I have a partner I love very much and share a home with and so we have 'duty' telephone contact every few weeks and the only time they see me is if I go to their home.
I realised later in life that I was gay and some of my friends didn't make the transition to having a gay friend...I'm not fully out at work because frankly it's too much hard work for people I am not that fussed about. I wouldn't lie about my partner but it doesn't come up in conversation
At school some of the kids are brilliant and others give my kids a very hard time
So yes homophobia is still rife....

My watershed moment with otherkin was in 2006 or something, when a woman asked me to accept she had the soul of a dragon.

Oh dear, I'm sorry if this offends anyone but... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

• I'm going to hell, aren't I? :(

noblegiraffe - Yes some gay and Trans people say the same.

The way the difference is usually expressed is as Pansexual = Gender/sex is irrelevent in whether you will feel an attraction to another person, Bisexual = Gender/sex is relevent to whether you are going to develop an attraction, but not restricted to just one gender exclusively. There's overlap but they aren't the exact same thing, and why couldn't a bisexual person feel attracted to a trans person? But ultimately, it's up to people to decide what fits them best. You work out which 'label' you think best matches the way you experience attraction. What other people might identify as in your position in irrelevent. If two people experience attraction in the same way, in doesn't matter if one of them identifies as bisexual and that feels accurate, but the other thinks that 'bi' is restricting and 'pan' is more accurate. We humans tend to like coming up with words to describe the things we feel, and we tend not to like saying 'none of the above' or feeling unable to express how we feel in our language in a couple of words or less. Some people are totally comfortable with using a 'label' that doesn't really accurately describe them, but generally there's a reason that labels have developped in the first place, and it's not odd or unhealthy. You could equally argue that our obsession with making everyone fit into just three boxes (gay, bi, or straight and ignore asexual/aromantic people) is restricting and inaccurate and people need to feel free to come up with a better word for themselves. Of course then we can all be very human by arguing about it!

I quite like , it's short and sweet and stars a really cute pan, though it got shoved to one side pretty quickly

As for homophobia, it's still everywhere. I still experience it. My children still experience it because their mum is a lesbian. Now half price under ye olde offer of 'I'm not a homophobe because I have a gay friend/brother, and I don't hate you, it's not homophobia if I don't hate you and I'm not terrified of you. But it's bad for children for people like you to adopt, and marry, and have anti-discrimination laws protecting you and if you don't agree with me YOU are the bigot blah blah yada yada'