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AIBM to not let ds2 4 wear his Elsa dress out anymore due to twattish sniggering parents

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NellysKnickers · 13/04/2015 16:00

Ds2s hero is Elsa. He loves her and Frozen. He also loves mud, dinosaurs, trains and his bike. He wore his Elsa dress to pick up ds1 from school today. I'm shocked by the amount of parents giggling and pointing, I expected a bit from kids who dont know any better but adults? ?? I'm torn between being upset and wanting to pinch them in the face ( obviously I would never do this in reality) Why is it that people think it's ok to laugh at someone a little bit different, Dh just says they are a bit thick!

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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 15/04/2015 16:51

Where do you draw the line home? Can't dress 'like a girl', what about typically female activities like playing with dolls? At what age can a child be allowed to express themselves and 'cope with the backlash'? What if he's a goth or gets teased for being interested in other kind of non - mainstream activity? What if he's teased for having the wrong colour hair or not being good at football? If everyone put more effort into teaching children not to tease and bully rather than trying to get them to fit in so they don't get picked on, the world would be a much better place. Unlike some posters on here I'd like to refrain from crushing all optimism and individuality out of my son because 'that's the way the world is'.

leedy · 15/04/2015 16:52

"Since my children have to live here I hope they will have happy memories of their childhood and not remembering the time they were laughed at for dressing as Elsa. "

So as per my previous post, should my mother have told me to pretend I wasn't as clever/bookish/nerdy as I was? Just said "no" when we were asked to bring our favourite things into school and I brought a copy of Tubular Bells (yes I was a tragically nerdy child)? I mean, then I wouldn't have to remember the time I was laughed at for saying I was going to be a nuclear physicist. Or asked whether I'd "swallowed the dictionary". Or called "brainbox". And have learned the really important lesson that you need to hide your real self and not stand out in any way or you won't be popular. That's the "real world". Yay.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 15/04/2015 16:54

Don't know why you call it 'nerdy', Tubular Bell was a classic Wink

leedy · 15/04/2015 16:55

:)

leedy · 15/04/2015 16:57

(I am not a nuclear physicist, by the way. Though I do have a very nerdy job.)

Micah · 15/04/2015 16:57

Yy leedy..

One of the reasons I failed my exams was because I wanted to fit in with my female peers, where "swots" were made fun of and cleverness was only respected in males. I was the only girl in my physics class and just hid most of the time, so as not to draw attention.

"Fitting in" or conforming to social norms is not a good thing. It is hiding your true talents and passions.

pinningwobble · 15/04/2015 16:58

homeishappiness - get over yourself love.

One day many many years ago my little brother (let's call him James) came home from school crying to my mum and me (I'm 12 years older) because he'd taken his barbie into school with him and some older kid had laughed at him because it was a 'girl toy'. My mum said: "you know what James, the reason people laugh at you is because they haven't got the balls to be themselves and they're jealous that you have. You can play with whatever toy you want."

He is now 15. He has loads of friends. He's doing brilliantly at school. He's full of confidence and he really doesn't give a shit what people think. That's how my amazing mother brought us up and I'm grateful for it every single day of my life.

TheTroubleWithAngels · 15/04/2015 17:00

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Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 17:02

teddy, of course I can imagine being hurt by something a parent said, but blaming it on food issues twenty years later is indulgent and ridiculous. Your issues are yours: they may have stemmed from somewhere but there comes a point where 'get over yourself' (meant kindly) has to apply.

I was raised in a very middle class family who unintentionally prevented me fitting in anywhere, for a plethora of reasons. Church was one - they sent us to Sunday school to get rid of us, I think Grin (I think mum was a little depressed) but we had to march through the streets of our small town with tambourines singing What A Friend We Have In Jesus. My brother suffered more for that than I did - he was absolutely crucified for that for many years (pardon the pun.) Then there were the clothes. Oh my, the clothes. Mum had horrible taste anyway but my wardrobe was entirely made up of the garish, too short and too tight. I'll add here I wanted to wear them as they were the cast offs of some older girls I idolised but I look back at photos in horror. My mum died when I was very young and sadly it isn't an exaggeration to say I don't have one nice photo of us together. I really do look at them and think WTF were you thinking? Grin My brother has ASD (undiagnosed) and used to insist on wearing massive clothes - he looked like a homeless person.

I could sit up all night and talk about the hundred ways we didn't fit in. The really sad part was as soon as my mum died and I had a part time job and could afford nice clothes and a haircut, I fit like a glove. I just regret that I attracted so much negative attention as a child and younger teenager because I looked scruffy and silly.

When I had my children, I knew I wasn't ever going to have them feel like that. Sometimes that means bending your principles. My eldest has an iPhone and that's reluctantly, on my part, but I don't want him left out of the 'gang'. But they are clean, tidy and with neat hair. They dress conventionally. They have the correct school uniform (well, my school age child does).

I know I will get jumped on now by people saying their children do too. Of course they do: teddy's boys looked very well cared for - BUT, my children would NOT leave the house like that.

My example above is an extreme one but lack of awareness about others and how they react to children is worrying. As I said in a PP it reminds me of door slamming and 'What? What?' People will notice, laugh, jeer and point. If that doesn't bother you (though it does, hence the thread) I can state firmly it will bother your child.

Satsumafairy · 15/04/2015 17:04

Home, I don't understand the "obvious question" either.

Obviously some people might snigger at a boy wearing s dress because they are ignorant twats. Do we collude with them? Of course not. We let our kids be themselves and if other kids tease them we talk about it with them, explain that some people can't cope with this but it's up to the how they dress etc. some children might choose to conform, others not.

I've been teaching in a non school uniform school for nearly 20 years in about the most non diverse place you can imagine and yet we manage absolutely fine and celebrate children who are a bit different. Of course some other children question this, which is normal, but we talk to them and say "we're all different, thankfully. That's what Sam wants to wear and why not?" They look thoughtful, shrug and move on!

Children are guided by your response to this. If you act like it's some sort of terrible, damaging faux pas they will act like that too. If you say "yes, that's a bit unusual, how fabulous, good for him/her."

I should add that my small family is extremely unusual and we never blend in so why try?!

pinningwobble · 15/04/2015 17:06

home bit of pot calling the kettle black here aren't you, saying a PP couldn't possibly blame her food issues on her parents yet you're blaming your issues on your parents? Shouldn't you have 'got over it' too by that logic?

Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 17:07

I think there are different ways of blending in. I wouldn't say to the children they had to pretend to be interested in a certain type of music, or books or films.

However, these are things gleaned from actually talking to a person at length and different to parading around in an ostentatious costume!

In some ways my family is 'different' too :)

Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 17:08

No, I don't consider myself to have issues and I'm not 'blaming' my parents. I didn't have a very happy childhood but I have got over myself Wink and made my adulthood more positive.

Satsumafairy · 15/04/2015 17:11

I can see where you are coming from Home. Can I just ask, did you want to fit in as a kid or is it now looking back that you wish your parents had guided you in that way? I think the difference here is that the child really wants to wear that dress, they're not being forced to.
Having said that my family are unusual, we are but my dd is no different to any other child, I understand the need to be like the crowd at that age but I think the problem comes of you are not allowing your child to be themselves just because they are a bit different.

TeddyBee · 15/04/2015 17:11

Home, we were kind of poor, most of our clothes came passed down from other church families, we couldn't afford birthday parties or new bikes and one of my abiding memories is of my mother being desperate for us to fit in and not be judged on our clothes (or for being a bit fat I suppose). I don't want to pass on that kind of desperation to my children, especially as I can see it sometimes in myself (that awful middle class wanting to do the 'right' thing).

I have very minor food issues, but I quite seriously don't think I would have any without that comment. i certainly wouldn't constantly have to fight against assigning a moral value to obesity for example.

The one on the right is a girl btw, she's just wearing a tea cosy on her head.

OnlyLovers · 15/04/2015 17:14

For the love of God. 'parading around in an ostentatious costume' Shock The way you talk about a four-year-old child is pretty nasty.

pinning, you and your brother and your mum ALL sound amazing.

OnlyLovers · 15/04/2015 17:15

Oh and, Home, I meant to ask again, so PS: PLEASE can you expand on the 'obvious question' and the issue with a child's hero being a princess?

Satsumafairy · 15/04/2015 17:16

Yes, it does make it sound like something very different to a 4 year old in a dress! That's one of the things about being different that bugs me! People think you are "making a statement" when you're not, you're just being yourself!!

Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 17:17

Apologies Miss Teddy :)

Satsuma, I think as a child you have very little idea of how to fit in and yes, there were things I wanted or wanted because I 'sensed' my parents wanted them. There was a daft fashion at primary school for socks to be rolled down round ankles and I sensed my dads 'disapproval' so didn't do it, even though it earned a lot of teasing. I wasn't arsed what my socks looked like Grin

But to answer the question specifically, I think children mostly don't care but think they should. I wish adults could all teach children not to care, but they won't. As such - well, my child's long term happiness, sense of belonging and place in the world is far more important to me than a fleeting desire to wear something unsuitable.

Believe it or not, I have thought about this thread and pondered at length why I have such a strong reaction to boys in dresses. I think because the message seems to be to care more about the 'principles' than the child's happiness. I would over something important but an Elsa dress? No.

Also, I am uneasy generally with behaviour that seems to crave attention.

Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 17:19

I thought I answered Only - because the equivalent would be a prince. Of course, there are other superheroes who are male girls may aspire to but the difference is female superheroes tend to have their feminine qualities exaggerated, as Elsa does when she sings Let It Go and becomes 'sexy.' I can understand a little girl thinking she looks beautiful and wanting to be like her; I can understand a little boy wanting to make ice and snow; I find a little boy wanting to look like Elsa harder to understand.

Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 17:20

The dresses are ostentatious. They are big, they are frilly, they are over the top. That was intended factually, not insultingly :)

pinningwobble · 15/04/2015 17:21

only thank you!

I would never encourage my DC to be anything other than who they are. If who they are is fitting in with the "right" phone and clothes and what have you and conforming to "norms" then that's fine by me. If who they are is wearing an Elsa dress then that's fine by me too.

OnlyLovers · 15/04/2015 17:21

behaviour that seems to crave attention

What makes you conclude that the OP's behaviour was calculated to attract attention? Rather than just letting her small child wear something he wanted to wear?

pinningwobble · 15/04/2015 17:22

I find a little boy wanting to look like Elsa harder to understand

Yeah, and let's all berate what we don't understand right.

Hmm
Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 17:24

It craves attention because of the nature of the frock as explained above. If I drop something on my foot and shriek in pain involuntarily, that will attract attention even if it is accidental.

I accept the OP isn't trying to crave attention - I believe that - but wearing a big, frilly, pale coloured dress will :) and that's why I said 'seems to.'

In other words, since others aren't privy to the Ops thought process they may well assume the dress has been put on to attract attention as it is a) an eye catching dress and b) worn by a boy.