To think children should give up their seats for adults

[BeeInYourBonnet]

And their parents should encourage them to.

Especially when they are young enough to sit on their parents laps.

*I know plenty of women (fit healthy women in 30s like myself) who feel faint standing on stuffy trains for long periods. Particularly when they have their period, or are pregnant, or have been too busy to eat for a while. It's very embarrassing to ask for a seat because you feel faint, sometimes people pass out before they ask someone to move a child"

So we should all move our chilren for any female over the age of 13 incase they have their period or are pregnant? FGS do you actually believe what you are saying or are you just digging yourself deeper into a hole. And why should they be asking someone to move a child is it an event full of children where no able bodied adults are able to move? Oh no all the able bodied adults over 40 get seats for all these health conditions you keep banging on about.

You really are painting the human species in a very bad light, I look around in wonder as to how we managed to build houses and run hospitals. Maybe we should just give everyone over the age of 18 a wheelchair, poor poor adults.

YANBU.

I recently had to try and pick my way through a line of kids bags blocking the entrance to the school office. The kids just stood and stared at me and not one of them moved a bag (dangling straps all over floor) or themselves to let me past.
I am on crutches (and have been for some time).

These kids aren't unpleasant but no one has taught them any better.

I would hope that littlies could go on laps, 5-10's could stand quietly next to their adult, and over 10's should have the sense to ask: 'do you need my seat / space'?

I agree with you, BUT that is a different situation from what the OP proposed.
Those kids really need a lesson in being aware of someone in need, although most adults as a group will behave in a similar way, as they will expect someone else (except each one of them) to volunteer.

It's not the same as expecting children to get up just because an adult is there.

I know plenty of women (fit healthy women in 30s like myself) who feel faint standing on stuffy trains for long periods.

I am one of those.
I ask ADULTS. I don't go looking for where the children are, nor would I ask the adult sitting next to them to move the child. If it happens to be an adult with a child they can choose to put the child on their laps or stand up themselves, even ask the child to stand up, but I wouldn't expect that the child would stand up or would go on their laps.
As a mother I would stand up.

And they are far more flexible, with more energy than the average adult.

I am not particularly fit, but I can walk for longer and faster than my 10 year old child, who spends most of his days (whenever he can) chasing a ball around, including at home. While I mostly sit on my arse. :)

If child can't sit on lap why can't they sit on floor, perch on a luggage-rack or stand in aisle? There is rarely space for adults to do this but kids take up less space.

Are you serious?

To be trampled over by adults standing?
To be lunched forward from the luggage-rack and hit their heads if there is a sudden break?
To stand at crotch level and be squeezed by adults who don't see them in a busy train/tube/bus?

I don't think so.

No you're not being unreasonable but if children are expected to stand up then they should not be expected to pay a fare.
Can't have it both ways

I have dc1 who is a toddler and am also 7 months pregnant, If we were on a train I would sit dc1 in his own seat, anyone who asked him to move would be completely blanked by me, I wouldn't even justify it with a response.

An elderly or infirm person would get mine and my sons seat without question but not just someone with a childish sense of entitlement. Not at all.

Here we go again, tired adults who have spent the past 12 hours toiling in the fields . . .

I would have thought it would be downright dangerous to seat a child in the luggage rack.

Standing is also difficult if you are too short to reach the grip handles or rail on the tube, and toddlers or other very young children are certainly in that category.

Of course plenty of others cannot stand for too long for a variety of reasons, not all of them immediately obvious.

I would offer my seat to someone who clearly needed it and would encourage my daughters to do likewise.

I do recall being on a train whilst heavily pregnant with my second child, and with my three year old in the pushchair. I was grateful to be offered a seat by a man. I'd never have asked, but it was much appreciated.

On another train journey I kept said three year old in a seat because it was the best way of keeping her safe and restrained/occupied. My 7 / 8 months pregnant bump left no room to have her on my lap and I was determined to ensure she had no opportunity to run up and down the aisle.

There are no simple answers.