To think more outrage is needed over Tory threat to child benefit?

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According to papers today Tory planned welfare cuts can't be achieved without further cuts to child benefit. George Osborne has refused to rule it out apparently. Such a cut would be massively controversial, hurt lower income families and is potentially politically toxic for the Tories. So why is no-one pushing them for a straight answer?

I think it's shit, but I'm also with those who are asking if people really did not see this coming when CB was initially capped?

Is there a link to the Owen Jones article someone mentioned upthread?

*Pretty sure the ones saying get rid are the ones with tiny mortgages or bigger wages.
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Wrong. Enormous mortgage, 3 kids.

I think this is very short sighted and ill conceived. We need more babies not less. A stable society needs a birth rate of 2.1. The UK birth rate is currently 1.8. The government should be supporting and encouraging families.

Are they talking about capping it for children who are already born or for future children?

I admit that I have always thought it was strange that you got money for having children, whether or not you worked.

I am scared about all the cuts. I am looking for work now and have only been offered zero hours contracts jobs. As I still need to be a part time carer the cuts will effect me and I never actually set out to end up in the situation I am in now. If they want people to get back into work it might be a lot easier if they actually supported people like me and the jobs that are easier to get if you have been out of work for a while weren't all bloody zero hours which screw with benefits.

I hate the fucking tories.

Sadly, I think they will get in.

The state isn't paying for the choice of parents child benefit is for CHILDREN

Nobody is saying stop having children, just that the state should stop paying for that choice. People should be free to have as many as they wish providing they alone support them

so what should I have done, then? do I deserve to lose such a significant sum from my monthly budget, potentially as soon as the beginning of June? what should I have done to stop myself being in this situation? Or am I really to blame for having children with the man I married? Should educated professionals not have children if they are unable to guarentee that their circumstances won't change for at least 18 years?

We all struggle to make the best for our children, we have 2 and they are expensive. I don't know what would be a realistic income to have three, four or five. If you do the surely something has to go and you can't expect to have the treats such as more than one holiday etc if you have a larger family. Cb is helpful but it can't support a child fully growing up

Nobody is saying stop having children, just that the state should stop paying for that choice. People should be free to have as many as they wish providing they alone support them.

But what about the ones already here?

I can't put mine back.

What about the people who have children thinking they can support them then end up giving birth to a disabled child who needs full time care? or one parent gets cancer, and so on? It's not like the Tories are planning on looking after them very well.

And yes, what should people do in fedup's situation?

She works hard. She didn't plan to be where she is now.

Well fuck her, right? take more from her because you know, she didn't have a crystal ball?

It's for children, but not paid to the children. It's paid for parents to fo fuck all with it. Or invest wisely. Who knows.

We don't need to be paid for bringing children into the world. Yes there's a baby boomer generation who'll need their pensions paid. So there are more children born "because they're needed". Who pays their pension? It's an ever increasing circle which needs to stop. The world doesn't need more humans.

U2 - any proposal to cap CB is NOT retrospective. It would only apply to thos eas yet unborn.

So everyone can make a choice.

I think the £50k limit is too high and it would be better to have more support to those who really need it.

Crap, I missed this in the news; I was too busy being cross about making children who 'fail' the SATs, resit it a year later.

Have the Tories actually said what they'll do? Limit to 2 children, 3 children? Retrospectively? For those earning over £35k?

It's such a divide and conquer strategy.

All the high earners who lost cb were pissed off, but the lower earners just felt relieved that it wasn't them and thought, 'well, if you're earning. £50k+ you're hardly skint', so had little sympathy. Now, it's the turn of everyone else and the higher earners won't care as they've lost theirs anyway!

As it won't affect the higher earners, they'll still vote conservative!

FFS, once kids are born they need to be fed.

Of all the sections of society who could stand to take out a bit less and contribute a bit more, kids ought to be last in line. My youngest wasn't even born when greedy bankers trashed the economy; why does he have to pay for it?

U2 - any proposal to cap CB is NOT retrospective. It would only apply to thos eas yet unborn.

Do you have a link showing this?

Thank you Emmaswan

As it won't affect the higher earners, they'll still vote conservative!

And as it will affect the lower earners and those on benefits, they'll still vote Labour, I presume?

Or are only the Tories selfish bastards who vote in their own interests?

any proposal to cap CB is NOT retrospective. It would only apply to thos eas yet unborn

where have you read this? how can you know that it is true? how can you know that they won't renege on this the minute they are in power and make it 'right, from today, anyone claiming for more than 2 children will only get money for 2'? Do you understand how this will impact on Tax Credits?

Do you have a link showing this?

Just Google it.

At choice you make at the time what happens when your circumstances change!!

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I feel we may be going round in circles