To think it is ridiculous that Katie Hopkins is being investigated by police for her tweets.

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017708/Katie-Hopkins-reported-police-inciting-racial-hatred-tweets-linking-Pakistani-men-Rochdale-child-sex-abuse.html

I'm no fan of Katie but if I'm honest I don't think she should be investigated by police.

fairy, I guess I don't. That's very sad to hear and I take your point.

Maybe Danczuk thinks votes from that community will keep him in and is sucking up accordingly.

If SD hadn't been party to raising the flag as it usually is he would have got a slating for that as well from a different area, namely people complaining that obviously he lumps all people of Pakistani descent in Rochdale with the abusers.

Soup, why would it be inappropriate to fly the British flag?

Because of the large numbers of British abusers. Obviously.

There were also non wore girls who were victims of the Rochdale predators. I wonder why people are so anxious to cover this up?

The paedophile s essentially targeted vulnerable girls within a system that let them down. The majority of the girls were white (the vast vast majority of girls in care in UK are white) but there were also some Asian girls advised on Rochdale and Bradford. I worked with a few of them afterwards.

KH is appalling as she is equating a whole country with paedophile behaviour and that is unacceptable.

Abused. Not advised.

YABVU. People are threatening violence against people they even suspect of being of Pakistani origin because of her hateful tweets.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Rochdale/Rotherham cases, personally I'd be happy if KH went under a bus.

She implied that this man was supporting the men found guilty of sex crimes against children just because he was pictured with men of Pakistani origin - that is a blatant generalisation of a group. Her comments also printed the same man to receive threats, including death threats, which is clearly inciting racist and threatening behaviour. It is a no-brainer that it should be reported. Just because most of that group of men were Pakistani doesn't mean that she can imply that all Pakistani men in that area are paedophilies.
Plus, she is a hate-filled woman who should be put in her place by the authorities

Katie Hopkins has basically failed at life. She's a bully and a racist bigot, and the media give her airtime for shock value which probably legitimises bullying and nastiness to an extent for lots of kids and teens as they think 'well if she's on This Morning, well if what she says is always in the papers and she almost won CBB etc then people must support her'. It's vile. Why the hell do people like her get given the time of day?

But if 8 out of 9 sentences are Pakistani it is a fact that the child abuse in that town was done by Pakistanis.

OP, you appear to know nothing about this subject. I'd really stop posting about this.

Ive been following this Twitter spat between Katie Hopkins and Simon Danczuk with interest.

It seems to stem from the fact that Simon was with a group of ethinc Pakistani consituents celebrating their national day by flying a large Pakistan flag.

Katie then launched her tirade against Simon and he referred the matter to the Police.

What happened next was the most interesting part:

Simon Danczuk then tweeted:

"For the record, free speech is not an unassailable right. It's a privilege to be treated with care".

Hundreds of people, including some lawyers, calmly pointed out to him that free speech was a RIGHT, not a privilige. It is a RIGHT under ECHR Chapter 10, constrained only by laws against things such as racial discrimmination, incitement. etc etc.....

Instead of accepting this fact, Danczuk then compounded his error by stating
"Privilege in the snese that we shouldn't abuse it."

So it had to be pointed out to him agan that it was a RIGHT despite the fact that he continued to maintain it was a privilege. He was wrong.

A few moths ago everyone was 'Charlie', supporting those who exercised their RIGHT to free speech.

A few months later an MP is telling us that it's not a RIGHT but a privilige - i.e. something that could be taken away. It's also disturbing that a law-maker does not understand basic human rights

"She implied that this man was supporting the men found guilty of sex crimes against children just because he was pictured with men of Pakistani origin"

Don't be so bloody ridiculous. She specifically objected to A FLAG. Flags are powerful political symbols.

Over in Northern Ireland, Sinn Fein get upset when the Union Flag is flown.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/storm-erupts-after-craigavon-council-votes-to-fly-union-flag-every-day-30920948.html

Clearly, as a politician, you don't just raise up any old flag, because they can cause a lot of upset.

" Her comments also printed the same man to receive threats, including death threats, which is clearly inciting racist and threatening behaviour."

Sorry what? KH didn't send any death threats. Incitement is quite specific, if the newspaper says 'Gary Glitter convicted of paedophilia' and then he gets death threats, even though the reporting led to the death threats, it doesn't constitute incitement.

" Just because most of that group of men were Pakistani doesn't mean that she can imply that all Pakistani men in that area are paedophilies. "

She didn't - she correctly observed that a large proportion of the men in the grooming scandals were Pakistani, and that for this reason it would be insensitive to raise a Pakistani flag.

"Plus, she is a hate-filled woman who should be put in her place by the authorities"

She is, but that's really not something for them to deal with.

Why is it insensitive for Pakistanis to fly their flag and celebrate their national day? Because of what SOME Pakistani men have done?! How ridiculous

MPs and other "higher ups" involved in paedophilia cover ups, etc - does that mean the Union Jack or English flag shouldn't be hoisted, then? Because of what SOME of them did?

The sickening truth in this country is, a lot of abuse is turned a blind eye too when the victims are deemed "lower scale" working class. Those men in Rochdale - I have a feeling that people who colluded in what they did, weren't all Pakistani.

I couldn't care less about the race of the perpetrators, its the sickness of the crime that I abhor, & that sickness is not confined to Pakistani men is it

Nobody said it was insensitive for Pakistanis to raise their flag. However the MP for Rochdale is not a Pakistani, and nor is Rochdale in Pakistan.

KH said it was insensitive to raise the Pakistani flag so I don't know where "nobody said it" comes into it. So what if Rochdale isn't Pakistan? Must you only fly an English flag or Union Jack in England? Do you think Brits abroad don't fly their flag on their own national/celebration days? What does the flag or celebrating one's heritage have to do with abuse, actually...?

Nothing at all - except that bigots will always find a way to tarnish a whole race of people with the same brush, as if many have to bow down to them to assuage the actions of a few.

"KH said it was insensitive to raise the Pakistani flag so I don't know where "nobody said it" comes into it."

No, she said more than that, within the confines of a 120 character Twat, or whatever it is:

'Raising a Pakistani flag in Rochdale is not helping community cohesion. it is inflammatory. @SimonDanczuk you & your party disgust me.'

She was not objecting to Pakistanis raising a Pakistani flag, she was objecting specifically to the MP for Rochdale doing so.

It's a disagreement between her and Danczuk. Not her and Pakistanis. She is not tweeting Pakistani people accusing them of abusing girls.

A creeping legitimisation of racism and depersonalisation toward one ethnic group is evident here - which is exactly the way that full scale atrocities, hatred and persecution end up happening. I'm so proud of the diversity în our country. I don't want anybodys kids growing up feeling a latent distrust of hatred of them simply because of their ethnic background. That's just horrific, illogical, nasty and damaging to everyone concerned.

She was not objecting to Pakistanis raising a Pakistani flag, she was objecting specifically to the MP for Rochdale doing so.

On the basis of your own quote, Aga, that isn't so. She obviously didn't think that Danczuk was solely responsible for this, and of course he wasn't. And look at that gratuitous reference to his Pakistani "friends". The fact is that, based on no local knowledge at all, she chose to state that raising the Pakistani flag could only be inflammatory rather than an acknowledgment that, actually, not all Pakistanis are abusers and not all abusers are Pakistani, and that the local community is in fact beginning to heal. The day we stop this type of gesture based on the KH mindset is a very sad day.

I have absolutely no issues with people of Pakistani origin raising their national flag.

But I do have a problem when a foreign flag is flown over a Town Hall.

In these child rape cases the one thing that has come out repeatedly is how the victims couldn't get anyone to believe them and take action and how they were let down by council officals. Imagine being one of those victims and looking up to see the Pakistan flag flying over the council offices of those who refused to help you? I think that would be another insult to them.

Flying a foriegn flag is seen as an act of solidarity or sympathy, for example when the country in question has suffered a tragedy.

In the unfortunate circumstances that exist in Rochdale the flying of a Pakistan flaf in a community where multiple sex attacked have been acarried out my gangs of predminantly Pakistani hertigae could be seen as unnecessarily devisive, when the MP should be striving to bring together the community.

Are we going to fly the flags of every nation on their national days from our town halls?

good, about time too. vile woman.

'Imagine being one of those victims and looking up to see the Pakistan flag flying over the council offices of those who refused to help you? I think that would be another insult to them.'

'WetAugust' - yes you've got it in a nutshell. The feelings of the victims who were badly let down should be of primary consideration.

it's being reported that the family of 9 stopped at the Turkish border are from Rochdale. Not a very harmonious place at present.

The flag was raised for 30 minutes on Pakistan's national day. It appears that Rochdale has a tradition of doing this for various countries represented in their community. I really don't see why that's offensive - unless, of course, you want to represent that all Pakistani men are child abusers and rapists, and that no citizens of any other countries have committed abuse or rape. There are certainly many more British men who have raped, murdered and abused. Should we therefore stop flying the Union Flag?

' I really don't see why that's offensive - unless, of course, you want to represent that all Pakistani men are child abusers and rapists, and that no citizens'

Icimoi - what about the victims' sensibilities? Do you care how they may feel about it??

The flag was raised for 30 minutes on Pakistan's national day. It appears that Rochdale has a tradition of doing this for various countries represented in their community. If that is the case, surely it would be a message NOT to fly it. A message that frankly say that because of the actions of a few, we generalize and discriminate against all. Pure xenophobia; that's basically the definition.