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To wonder why there has STILL been no donation?

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kewtogetin · 29/03/2015 20:05

This has probably been done, I know there was a long running thread about this very subject but I can't find it?
So, several months on I see Dax's parents have still not made the promised donation to Ronald McDonald hospice. On March 2nd they updated the Facebook page to say they works be making the donation 'very soon', but still nothing.
Am I the only one thinking they have no intention of donating any money out of the tens of thousands donated to them? That in fact they intend to keep it all and deny the very charity that provided them with so much support in the early weeks of their Childs life?
In fact, I don't think im the only one judging by the comments on the Facebook page.
I think they're hoping it will blow over and if they keep quiet long enough people will forget.

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kewtogetin · 12/04/2015 13:26

Or keep all the money for themselves....

To wonder why there has STILL been no donation?
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kewtogetin · 12/04/2015 13:28

From the horses mouth.

To wonder why there has STILL been no donation?
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JoanHickson · 12/04/2015 13:29

Richard took pictures of his clothed sleeping gf and put them on fb. The girl is very young. He crouched down and you could see between her breasts and her legs spread.

Richard shows on that FB page what he wants and deleted anything showing reality.

I suspect gaslighting is something he is well practiced at.

Micah · 12/04/2015 13:31

Any lawyers? What actually is the legal PoV?

Not a lawyer but if people donate to an individual "in case" they might need medical care, then that is their free choice, surely?

Like if you give to a beggar, you might tell them to go buy food, but you can't ask for your money back if they choose to spend it on drugs...

There are actually many individuals fundraising on this basis, for possible medical treatment, but with no control on how the money is spent, or any excess disposed of.

If dax's parents have done nothing legally wrong, maybe the campaign should be for more regulation of this type of fundraising. I think there's an organisation out there now, where money is donated to the organisation in an individual's name. The organisation pays directly for treatment etc, any extra goes "in the pot" for others in need.

JoanHickson · 12/04/2015 13:31

How long will it last?

To wonder why there has STILL been no donation?
Miele72 · 12/04/2015 13:42

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LilMissSunshine9 · 12/04/2015 13:47

The problem with the 'we will refund people if they ask' is that many people probably clicked on the fundraising link on the news articles made their donation and never went back to the facebook page after to know they could ask for a refund. That is why it is even more important the money is donated to RMH because people donated on the premise it was to cover medical bills and they may not have if they knew it was to cover rent etc. Therefore I hardly believe anyone would object to their donation going to RMH instead but as you can see people would object to the money going to pay someone's rent.

As I said before thank god people relentlessly kept posting on the fb page because it meant they shut down the fundraising site much sooner otherwise I have no doubt they would of probably raised enough to put a deposit down on a house. People see things like this happen and no doubt there will be copycat situations to the point people will stop donating.

Littlemonstersrule · 12/04/2015 13:52

I am surprised the actual charity has not stepped in as they will get the backlash from this. The posts on FB are disappearing fast so they obviously have something to hide otherwise the time could have been used to list the amount given and the confirmation email.

Chippednailvarnish · 12/04/2015 13:53

I wish I could claim to be surprised by all of this...

willowtree62 · 12/04/2015 13:54

Hopefully an investigation is already taking place and that's why the papers are not reporting on it.

Micah · 12/04/2015 13:57

Would you donate to a similar cause after this?

I'd never donate to such a cause. They are not a charity, you are giving them the money. There is no regulation, as far as I know, that means that individual has to account for any money donated.

As I said above, I don't think they've done anything wrong legally? People donated to them personally.

CrystalSkull · 12/04/2015 13:57

I can't say I'm surprised either - but still amazed that they seem to think they will get away with this. Momentum is gathering and it's not going to just go away!

Littlemonstersrule · 12/04/2015 13:58

Maybe rules need to be tighter than only actual charities can fund raise. They are governed by strict rules and then there would be none of these problems.

When anyone can ask for money with no regulations it's bound to go wrong.

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kewtogetin · 12/04/2015 14:02

I think people should be able to ask for money for whatever the heck they like, the problem is they asked for money to cover medical bills but actually haven't used the money for that. They have instead kept it for themselves. That's why people are so pissed off.

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trufflesnout · 12/04/2015 14:04

As I said above, I don't think they've done anything wrong legally? People donated to them personally.

Legally they may well have committed fraud by obtaining money by deception (saying it was for medical bills when they were already covered by insurance).

CrystalSkull · 12/04/2015 14:08

I'm not a lawyer, but there is also an offence called 'Making a statement known to be materially false or misleading or recklessly making a statement which is materially false or misleading'.

JoanHickson · 12/04/2015 14:10

Would that apply to the couple in the local rag article and the posts from them on their FB page? Would it apply to Richard for leaving up the wrong information on gofund me so long after he knew medical fees were being paid?

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 12/04/2015 14:15

I think people should be able to ask for money for whatever the heck they like, the problem is they asked for money to cover medical bills but actually haven't used the money for that. They have instead kept it for themselves. That's why people are so pissed off.

Y,y. Or for fridges, microwaves, breast pumps, and everything else they pleaded for cash for and didn't need. Not to mention the numerous promises to donate the rest to RMH which a lot of people who had donated thinking it was for the other unneeded stuff were happy with. But that's not happening, either.

Micah · 12/04/2015 14:18

My understanding was the fund was started when it was unknown whether the insurance would cover the medical bills.

People were donating in case they didn't. No conditions at the time as to what they should do if the bills were covered.

Not trying to stick up for them- personally I dislike any sort of fundraising for an individual. I've also seen it when thousands have been raised "for cancer treatment abroad", which hasn't been needed. I've always wondered where the money went. Dax being so high profile has obviously questioned this.

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kewtogetin · 12/04/2015 14:19

And to 'fake' a donation to a charity who were there for you during the worst time in your life is despicable.

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kinkyfuckery · 12/04/2015 14:20

scambuster I also donated to see the page. Yes, the part in italics is genuinely the thank you message you receive. They have cropped the remainder of the page. I do believe they have made a donation, but nowhere near the amounts suggested that it would be. Extremely sad Sad

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Rubyrooo · 12/04/2015 14:21

Just asked Dh about this (criminal lawyer). He says offence(s) were probably committed at the point after they knew the insurance would pay out, but continued to collect without mentioning this.

I reckon anyone who donated after that point should go to the police!

RebootYourEngine · 12/04/2015 14:25

So a donation has most likely been made. If that is the case why hide the amount. Is it coz its only about ten pounds.

trufflesnout · 12/04/2015 14:36

Micah it started out as "we need money because our insurance may not cover our premature baby's care". The first update they gave out, on the 4th of Jan, was that insurance was paying but that the parents would need the funds to cover an array of things including loss of income and rent, and that any excess would be donated to Ronald McDonald House NYC.

shewept · 12/04/2015 14:39

My understanding was the fund was started when it was unknown whether the insurance would cover the medical bills.

There was no point where it was unknown. The page was set up immediately after the event. The insurance company never suggested they wouldn't cover anything. In fact the DM confirmed that the insurance company (via Lee) was paying the bills. However Tricky Dickie kept saying he wasn't sure. It took 2 days for him to confirm what everyone else knew.

Then he said the money was for accommodation, kitchen appliances, food for Lee and Katie, 2k for a 'boobie sucker', clothes for Lee, Katie and Dax, flight for the extended family to New York and all the stuff they would need at home for a baby (cot, pushchair etc)

Accommodation was provided along with appliances, an offer of food to be cooked and delivered (free) was refused, the 2k boobie sucker was never required or existed (all equipment was provided by the hospital and charity), the extended family didn't go out and Lee and Katie confirmed they had already bought all the baby equipment before they went to new York.

As it stands they have kept almost 30k to pay for their bills at home for 2 months.

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