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To wonder why there has STILL been no donation?

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kewtogetin · 29/03/2015 20:05

This has probably been done, I know there was a long running thread about this very subject but I can't find it?
So, several months on I see Dax's parents have still not made the promised donation to Ronald McDonald hospice. On March 2nd they updated the Facebook page to say they works be making the donation 'very soon', but still nothing.
Am I the only one thinking they have no intention of donating any money out of the tens of thousands donated to them? That in fact they intend to keep it all and deny the very charity that provided them with so much support in the early weeks of their Childs life?
In fact, I don't think im the only one judging by the comments on the Facebook page.
I think they're hoping it will blow over and if they keep quiet long enough people will forget.

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fluffymouse · 16/04/2015 07:56

They really think they have got away with it!

fourteen · 16/04/2015 07:57

Scambuster you are way too invested in this.

L&K have said on the fb page that they will return any money to people who want their donation back. The overwhelming majority of responses was "you keep it hun"

Only one person asked for their money back, and they got it.

NONE of the posters on here with a problem donated.

You have not lost out and the people who support you haven't lost out.

Those who did "lose" their money are supportive of L&K.

I seriously think you need to back off.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 16/04/2015 08:20

That's a daft comment. Anyone could argue that anyone is "too invested" in any issue or cause they find important enough to take action against. I spent half an hour of my time arguing with some hunter dude on the internet yesterday who was defending the giraffe-shooting woman. You could say I was "too invested" because I probably wasted my time and didn't change his mind. But nothing corrupt or bad or wrong ever gets changed by under-investment. Hmm

bloodyteenagers · 16/04/2015 08:29

Fourteen there is at least one person on this thread who has donated.
A lot of people on FB witnessed what happened to the person who did ask for a refund so they could donate direct to RMH.
Other donators possibly don't realise they can ask for. Refund because they went through the gofundme site.
Not all donators would have checked up afterwards, they would have trusted that the money has gone to th charity. They would not have known about all the deleted posts of fb questioning this.

At the end of the day they need to be transparent. Just like any other person raising money for charity. The said in the beginning of March they would make the donation soon. They even said that RMH would post the donation on their site. It took several weeks for a donation to happen. No one knows how much, RMH have not posted on their site. It looks like a donation was made because of questions.

This should not be brushed under the carpet. By doing so you take the risk of other con artists pulling the same shit.

Yes people can donate to who the want. However it is immoral to basically rob a charity. If they haven't donated every penny, this is what they have done. That is the lowest of the low to steal from dying and sick children.

fourteen · 16/04/2015 08:41

How have they "robbed a charity"?

If I don't give a fiver to the NSPCC have I robbed them? If I tell my mate I'm going to give RNIB a fiver and then I don't, have I robbed them?

"At the end of the day" if the donators were bothered about where their donation has gone, they'd be checking up on it.

If you think L&K have done something illegal, report it, as other posters, who believe there has been illegal activity, have done.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 16/04/2015 08:47

One could argue you are too invested in trying to get people to drop it, fourteen.

bloodyteenagers · 16/04/2015 08:48

Until they show that they have given every penny they have robbed the charity.

You not giving to rspca or whoever is not the same. Unless someone else gave you money to donate and you didn't.

and how do you know I haven't reported them?

fourteen · 16/04/2015 08:53

Fine if you've reported them.

You can have any opinion you like bloodyteenagers, but if that's not the legal situation then it doesn't matter.

There is a "story" here if they've done something illegal. Unless and until that is established, it's a non event.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 16/04/2015 09:00

It's all fine and great to say "report them" except there is NO regulation on these types of funds which is the whole bloody point of the thread: how can we bring attention to what's happened here because it's a new type of gaining money from the public by deception. Something bad has happened here, that's a definite, it's just establishing what can be done about it and how can it prevented from happening again.

snowglobemouse · 16/04/2015 09:49

I don't think Michelle Obama will give a shit Hmm

albertcamus · 16/04/2015 10:32

bloodyteenagers I agree with you 100%. This issue takes exploitation, opportunism & cynicism to new heights. I hope there is a tangible financial outcome for RMH, even if it's not all that it should have been.

AyeAmarok · 16/04/2015 10:41

By the way, someone posted upthread about how the insurers wouldn't be able to recover the money because it was a donation.

That's not actually true, there is plenty of case law that states that subrogation can apply to money a person has received as a gift, if the money was intended to be an indemnity relating to a loss.

Which (at least part of) this money was. So technically, Allianz (was it them? can't remember) could recover it from them, PR issue aside.

trufflesnout · 16/04/2015 10:51

No, fourteen, but if you say "I want to give some money to Oxfam" and your mate says "here, put in a fiver from me" and then you keep that fiver it's starting to look a bit shitty.

WRT there being so much support for Dax's parents and the money situation on FB - this is because they are very happy to delete comments which are not sycophantic. The FB page is completely skewed because of it.

albertcamus · 16/04/2015 11:53

(Apologies for vast generalisations)

  • People in general are generous, understanding & forgiving
  • The type of person who was motivated to donate clearly has these characteristics
  • Life is busy, people put things down to experience
  • Few folk are bothered / motivated to fight injustice & poor behaviour
  • An innocent, vulnerable baby is a virtual guarantee of attention / support / forgiveness for L & K

Unfortunately for the charity involved, in my view

ScamBuster1 · 16/04/2015 12:56

Fourteen, or should I just call you Richard. Seriously, how I spend my time is really of no concern to you. I would however like to clarify something you put in your post to me ^^
Whe you stated
I seriously think you need to back off. did you mean this in a threatening manner? I've interpreted it as such.

MyArksNotReady · 16/04/2015 13:12

Fourteen seems very keen this is dropped. Hmm Anyone up for a new thread?

albertcamus · 16/04/2015 13:20

I for one seriously think you need NOT to back off, ScamBuster1
This issue needs to be concluded, for the sake of Dax in future, if nothing else.

fluffymouse · 16/04/2015 13:22

I back you up too scambuster.

I wonder what Fourteen's motivation is.

Lots of people have in fact asked for refunds, and had their posts deleted. Only a small few said for the family to keep the money.

AbbeyRoadCrossing · 16/04/2015 13:41

Sadly ripping off charities is quite common. Seems a legal grey area with this one but I thought I'd highlight a few that happen so you can be wary:

  • Fake charity bags through the door for clothes. Some are actually profit making companies (not actually illegal but dodgy as they brand in similar ways) check for a registered charity number.
  • Fake collectors, often wandering from pub to pub with a tin. You need a licence to collect, it's very unlikely they've got one for the entire high streets of pubs so beware.
  • People that don't return sponsor money, another grey area as they can easily say they didn't raise any. This is why just giving etc are good (even though they take a fee) as you know the money has gone over to the charity

A bit off topic but thought I'd drop that in so people can be careful. I've worked in the sector over a decade so seen a few things!

IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 16/04/2015 13:47

Why does scambuster need to back off? fourteen

To this day I have never understood why people asking legitimate questions were removed and blocked from fb page, surely when you asking public to dig deep in pockets they allowed to question about the authentic of it.

I believe it all to be bullshit had it been me I would of only been too happy to prove I've donated such and such funds to RMCH.

This wont disappear MN and other people on certain forums/groups are like a dog with a bone when they believe something/one has done an injustice, just ask galaxy in our pants & certain health spa.

fourteen · 16/04/2015 13:55

Don't be absolutely ridiculous Scambuster.

I await with bated breath the front page headline in the DM about how it's all been a terrible fraud and L&K are being investigated by the police, and all the other things which you would like to happen.

Except there won't be a headline, because it's not as cut and dried as you think it is, and furthermore, having had their 15 minutes of fame, no-one gives a shit about any of it.

Toughasoldboots · 16/04/2015 13:56

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MyArksNotReady · 16/04/2015 14:05

Oldboots, report them to the police please. One post left new thread in aibu?

SunshineBossaNova · 16/04/2015 15:07

Well done scambuster.

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