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about man in coffee shop with scornful macho approach to his impending new baby

145 replies

eggyface · 25/03/2015 11:59

Nice coffee shop down our way, i was in there this morning. Manager (let's call him Dan cos that's his name). He was joking to the staff "toddlers are like dogs, you just have to let them run around haha". All in good humour. I said "haha, have you got children?" he said pfb due in 2 weeks, and did I have any tips.

I thought for a moment whether to do the "it's all fine and lovely, congratulations" angle or the "it's really difficult, but you'll get through it" angle.

I ended up saying "it's amazing but I found it really, really hard. Nothing prepares you for the lack of sleep". He bristled slightly and said "Well, I wouldn't go into it with that negative attitude. I used to have insomnia so I only got a few hours each night. I think it should be something you can manage, right? I'm quite good at managing stuff."

At this point I became U... because it suddenly got VERY VERY important to me that he should UNDERSTAND. I said a variety of things... including baby might have reflux/colic and only sleep for 30 mins at a time, or only sleep on you for the first 6 months, and insomnia's bad I'm sure, but at least you have control over when you rest and how you manage the problem. I also said there are some things in life you can't 'manage' - having a baby for me was like a tsunami and all I could do was just hold on and cope with life for a while.

I know that was slightly BU because I should have nodded and smiled at that point and said how wonderful it would all be. Also, I know babies are for some people quite manageable.

But I was narked at him thinking my attitude was negative. AIBU to have got slightly triggered, and needing him to know what it was like for me? And was he BU to ask for tips, then tell me I had a negative attitude?!

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JanineStHubbins · 25/03/2015 12:00

YABU for using the word triggered.

It all sounds a little OTT.

eggyface · 25/03/2015 12:02

oh sorry - I didn't realise triggered was a bad word to use. Is that because it relates to worse situations of abuse and so on?? I am so so sorry and didn't mean to upset anyone. Please ignore that word in that case.

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EatShitDerek · 25/03/2015 12:02

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LittleBearPad · 25/03/2015 12:04

Derek's right. You may have gone a bit far.

LaurieMarlow · 25/03/2015 12:05

I totally get your need to make him 'understand' Smile and i can't guarantee I wouldn't have done something similar myself.

However, it's not possible to make him understand until it hits him like a tonne of bricks in a few weeks time. He'll probably think back on your conversation and weep smile ruefully.

SinclairSpectrum · 25/03/2015 12:08

Why would you want to frighten him with war stories?
Its like telling someone who needs an operation how much it will hurt!
Everyone learns what having a baby is like by having their baby, not by having a slightly manic woman lecture them in a coffee shop.

londonrach · 25/03/2015 12:08

Wait....he change when his pfb is placed in his arms for the first time!

Radiatorvalves · 25/03/2015 12:09

I'm slightly with the bloke on this one. I often say that you need the Labrador approach with kids (boys aged 8&10) now. Meaning exercise, food and sleep. Works well for us.

I think you probably looked a bit mad. Although, I do agree that in a few weeks time he may change his mind!

seaoflove · 25/03/2015 12:10

No soon-to-be-parent needs a lecture on how unrelentingly shit the early weeks/months are. You needed him to know what it was like for you? Yeah, bit OTT!

YABU for your melodramatic use of the word "triggered". Pet hate of mine Grin

Gruntfuttock · 25/03/2015 12:11

It sounds as if the man was trying to see the birth of his baby as a positive thing and you were doing your damnedest to stop him. Maybe next time you see him he'll look depressed and keep muttering "We're doomed" like the soothsayer in Up Pompeii (yes I am very old)

TwinkieTwinkle · 25/03/2015 12:12

YABU.

TantrumsAndBalloons · 25/03/2015 12:13

I wanted to scream at people who insisted on telling me I wasn't going to sleep for the next year "HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW?"
I refrained. But...it's not exactly helpful is it?

TheJiminyConjecture · 25/03/2015 12:13

No one wants to hear how hard it is or a variety of reasons why their pfb won't sleep.

Until pfb actually arrives and then you want all the war stories so you know you're not going nuts!

Give him 6/8 weeks and he'll be knocking back double espressos like the rest of us!

Hobby2014 · 25/03/2015 12:15

I think you was a tad unreasonable. Just because not all babies are like how you've described. Yes some are, but some aren't.
I had that from lots of people when I was pregnant, I was really not looking forward to baby coming in the end, but, I wonder now if that's why so far I've found it quite easy (7.5mo) because they told me it was going to get the worst thing ever. I was prepared for the worst and anything else was a bonus.
So now maybe I think you might have done him a favour. Wink

SaucyJack · 25/03/2015 12:16

He doesn't sound scornful or macho in the slightest to me. Just a bloke getting ready for the birth of his child in what he thinks is a reasonable manner.

You on the other hand...... Wink

Just nod and smile next time, mmmkay?

eggyface · 25/03/2015 12:20

yeah, I know it was ott and unreasonable. and most of you would prefer not to know then?? Even if you asked someone specifically for tips? Nobody told me anything before i had my baby and I would have liked to be prepared for more of the difficult stuff.

i'd have never used the triggered word before coming on mumsnet, amusingly... shall stop trying to ingratiate myself using all the lingo as I clearly don't know how to apply it!

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eggyface · 25/03/2015 12:21

perhaps it was his manner that got me, as well. hard to get across here!

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Totality22 · 25/03/2015 12:23

I think you were being a bit unreasonable OP.

Lamenting the negatives is a bit pointless isn't it?

If ever I'm asked by first time parents my party line is "the hard parts are really fucking hard and can have you questioning your sanity but the good parts truly do make up for the shit"

Hullygully · 25/03/2015 12:25

Haha he must have thought you'd gone berserk...don't blame you for feeling so strongly.

He'll learn...

Totality22 · 25/03/2015 12:26

'Know it all' people that don't have kids yet do piss me off OP so if he was being a bit patronising / smug then maybe you weren't being unreasonable.

Still always better to take the higher ground as he'll find out soon enough how life with a baby really is.

seriouslypeedoff · 25/03/2015 12:27

If someone started telling me about how difficult parenting was going to be, 2 weeks before its due, It would nark me. Its too late to not have the baby, so no point, pointing it out.

Germgirl · 25/03/2015 12:28

Derek! You're back!!
Sorry, that sounds stalkerish. But I read the thread about you being gone & now you're back. I'm pleased.
Anyway, sorry to derail.

TwinkieTwinkle · 25/03/2015 12:28

But you didn't give any tips, did you? You just harped on about the negatives of having a baby.

Tallulahhulahula · 25/03/2015 12:30

YABU to project emotionally onto some poor random man. Bet he didn't expect the impending word vomit when he was making small talk!

DawnOfTheDoggers · 25/03/2015 12:30

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