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Israeli in-laws staying after pfb birth

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Roooary · 21/03/2015 14:30

Pfb is due in June. DH is Israeli but has lived in the UK for 10 years. I am English and not Jewish. My ILs live in Israel and this will be their first GC. Yesterday I found out that ILs have booked flights for 2 weeks before due date. They have not consulted me or DH or booked a hotel or return flights home. DH spoke to them and they were expecting to stay with us and have offered to compromise by staying in a hotel until I return from hospital. I do not want them to stay here, visit before the birth or immediately after the birth.

If pfb is a boy ILs will be pressuring us into having a circumcision on the 8th day (Jewish tradition). DH is atheist and does not see the point in circumcising but agrees with MIL that had he lived in Israel he would probably have allowed it. I am strongly against circumcision. I do not want the first 8 days of potential DS's life to be a battle. If it is a girl ILs will be welcome earlier but I still don’t want them here until I feel physically recovered and able to look after the baby. MIL takes over everything and she already objects to so many things we are planning to do. I don't want her here taking over and showing me how to do everything before I've even had a chance to try.

I don’t want ILs staying here because they have had no respect for my personal space and I need a break from MIL. She stands very close to me, talks very loudly and touches my arms and face a lot which I hate. Last time she was here she “helped” us by moving the contents of all of our kitchen cupboards around while we were at work. She feels entitled to give advice about literally anything, from my PhD to my clothing to the way we spend our free time. DH agreed after last time that ILs will not stay here again but thinks that a baby changes this.

In the interests of fairness I should mention that:

  • In Israel a new baby is basically public property. ILs genuinely think it is normal to expect to have unlimited access to GC while they are here.
  • ILs had much less involvement in our wedding than my parents and think they should be “paid back” now. They had almost no input because they were angry with DH for marrying a non-Jew so they refused to speak to him for ages. They changed their minds about 3 weeks before the wedding and expected us to change plans for them which we mostly couldn't do.
  • Last time I spoke to FIL it was before the recent elections in Israel and we had a disagreement about politics. He has mainstream opinions which I find offensive (supports settlements and thinks that Palestine was never a county, does not have a culture and that Palestinians should just move to other Arab countries and stop hassling Israel). He is worried that I will try to “punish” him and MIL for their political views using access to their GC.
  • DH is torn because he thinks that what ILs are doing is normal in their culture but not in mine. He views it as a cultural clash rather than ILs not respecting our choices.

AIBU to insist that ILs do not come here until they are invited, book return flights, stay in a hotel, and only visit for a couple of hours at a time? The way they are acting you would think I have said they will never meet the baby.

OP posts:
WhereYouLeftIt · 03/04/2015 18:17

Glad to see a compromise has been reached.

And respect to your parents for having them stay for a fortnight! Smile

MoveAlongNow · 03/04/2015 19:00

Pajamas - circumcision is not sexual abuse. It really isn't. You may not agree with it, or choose it for your own, but it is not sexually abusive in any way. It would is, for many, an important religious practice. It is also standard medical practice for millions.

Fwiw, I am a Jewish-American living in the UK. My decision not to circumcise my son was seen as repellent by my family and friends in the states- Jews and otherwise!! Neither option is repellent and emotional language like yours doesn't help.

Also Fwis - I was 20 before I saw my first uncut foreskin. Never knew any man who was even remotely weepy about his circumcision tho Smile

Bambambini · 03/04/2015 19:24

Sounds all sorted. Relax and put your feet up now and don't worry!

OVienna · 04/04/2015 10:06

Omg OP. I think you need taking into an MN safe house until the coast is clear.

Poor you- they must cancel those flights.

OVienna · 04/04/2015 10:08

Glad it's sorted. I was so horrified for u I had to post.

Shakshuka · 05/04/2015 05:02

That's a very good otucome rooary. Sounds like they've chilled out a bit.

Good luck with the birth!

And agree with movealong. My father, brother, male cousins, nephews, uncles have certainly not been 'sexually abused'. You might not agree with circumcision and I'm unsure what I would have done if I'd have had boys, but it's not abuse, sexual or otherwise. Totally ignorant comment.

CheerfulYank · 05/04/2015 05:35

Oh good OP.

And I'm totally with you on the circumcision thing...we are religious but not Jewish, however we are American and it's just What Is Done.

I was railroaded into it with DS1 and have regretted it. I'm due with DC3 now (a boy) and have put my foot down well and firmly. It's hard to buck against cultural norms.

Good luck and congrats on your PFB!

KatieKaye · 05/04/2015 07:15

It is so great to read your post about the new arrangements.
Hoping all goes well with you and thanks for the update.

Srendipity30 · 05/04/2015 19:21

Culture clash, a few questions

  1. Why did you not discuss this with your DH and extended family before the birth, before the 9 months was up. This includes when they could see baby, how long for and if you want to circumcise your child or not which by the way is the decision of you and your DH.
  2. You knew that your DH and his family are from a specific culture, instead of trying to make your inlaws look like the evil inlaws as I see very often on MNet, did you not think that your DH and fsmilys culture may have a play in your childs life?
  3. Your inlaws I am assuming are going to be a part of your childs life, unless you intend to cut them out completely. Have you considered how you will include both sets of grandparents?
  4. Your inlaws live in another country are you suprised that they wanted to be there for the birth?
WhereYouLeftIt · 06/04/2015 13:21

blackbeauty04, have you not actually read the OP's posts? Every one of your aggressive snippy little questions has been answered.

Wibblypiglikesbananas · 06/04/2015 14:00

OP - YANBU. Religious issues/cultural issues aside, I wouldn't have had anyone staying with me following the births of my DC!

Cheerful - I have to disagree with the 'It's What is Done' when it comes to circumcision. I'm British but live in the US. I'd certainly agree that circumcision is expected by some (and you've only got to pick up a copy of American Baby or Parenting magazines to find pages devoted to the pros of circumcision) but it's only 'done' if parents agree to it. When my son was born (2013) we didn't. Many of our American friends with boys haven't gone for circumcision either. Hopefully the tide is turning - albeit slowly.

Andrew - words fail me. Some of your comments are beyond ridiculous.

samG76 · 06/04/2015 16:39

OP - Glad it went well with the ILs, who I did not think could be as bad as you has intimated. I think you are BU to ask a rabbi do make up a ceremony for a non-jewish child who won't be brought up in the faith. What would be the point?

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