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To expect people to share a room with their children?

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Sukie272 · 19/03/2015 16:53

Last weekend my partner's friend and his wife visited for 3 nights with their 2 sons (age 3 and 7). They were our first house-guests as we recently moved in together. I'd never met them before and was really looking forward to it. We have a 3-bed house and made spare room into a guestroom, with twin beds for the parents and a couple of sleeping-bags and camping-mats for the children. We assumed they'd want to share a room with their children, but when we showed them the guestroom they looked shocked and the dad made a joke about the kids keeping them awake all night!

Over dinner the mum started dropping hints about what we use our 3rd bedroom for, we explained it's our office. We didn't offer to let the children sleep in there as all our computer equipment, fragile electronics and paperwork etc is in there and it's a very small room.

Later that evening we were having drinks in living-room when the mum asked her husband (in front of us) if they should put the kids to bed in living-room and suggested the kids could sleep on sofas. My partner pointed out if they did that, the adults would then have nowhere to sit and socialise, unless we sat around table in kitchen which is not very comfortable (they put their kids to bed at 7pm). Also our sofas are rather delicate leather with electric tilt function so we didn't want children climbing on them or playing unsupervised in night. As an alternative my partner offered to bring the mattresses into living-room so parents could sleep there when we called it at night, but they declined.

All weekend they kept making comments about how badly they'd slept, as if sharing a room with their children was a big nuisance. Their sons seemed perfectly happy about sleeping arrangements and 7-year-old told me it was like 'a really fun sleepover!'

Were we unreasonable to expect them to share with their kids? Do most people provide 2 rooms for families? We don't have our own yet (one on the way) but assumed parents would want to share a room with children to keep an eye on them.

OP posts:
MirandaGoshawk · 19/03/2015 22:04

I've had families stay with us & it never crossed my mind that they wouldn't want to share with their dch. In fact, in a 'strange' house I'm certain that my DS wouldn't want to be in another room, he'd want to be in with me & DH even at 7.

The only time the dch would sleep elsewhere is if they were in a tent in the garden, which is a right palaver when they want to come in at 3am.

YANBU

mewkins · 19/03/2015 22:05

They should have checked that you had room beforehand.

I don't like sharing with the baby tbh as I sleep lightly and I don't sleep if he is rustling next to me. The 4yo is fine though.

MirandaGoshawk · 19/03/2015 22:07

It's a very good point that if they stayed in a hotel they would be sharing with their dch there too, presumably!

TowerRavenSeven · 19/03/2015 22:08

I don't think you were U but would have set parents up in the office and kids in the guest room. But really I think you were fine.

blankgaze · 19/03/2015 22:08

I can't help but wonder what Sukie's guests would do if they stayed in a hotel.

Me too, the norm in a hotel or B+B if you have small dc's is a family room.
If staying somewhere new, I'd want to be in the same room with my dc in case they woke in the night, went wandering around the house confused and 'lost', left the bathroom in a mess or whatever.

The OP did her best to be welcoming and provide what she considered to be reasonable accommodation for a family she'd never met. I would have provided exactly the same. I think the guests were dreadful and would never invite them again.

Bogeyface · 19/03/2015 22:11

Ion the worst thing is, mutual friend has been turned down on invites since by other single friends in case they get the same treatment and he is quite bothered by it. But my friend has forbidden any of us to say anything about it, so he will never know why his friends dont want to stay.

H and I discussed it after the last time we saw mutual friend and agreed that next time we see him, we will probably tell him if he brings it up. He wont be horrible, just embarrassed I think. But my friend hates upsetting people which is why he doesnt want to say anything.

blankgaze · 19/03/2015 22:17

would have set parents up in the office

I think people are confusing the word "office" as in place of business with "the room the computer's in" and not making any distinction between the two.

I have private papers in mine, personal and other people's finance, client records and a lot of other things that are not there to be looked at by anyone. It's out of bounds to visitors.

KatieKaye · 19/03/2015 22:19

Many congratulations to those lucky enough to have children who have never broken, chipped or scratched anything. And who have never dropped food, spilled drinks, bled or vomited over anything. You are blessed with extraordinary offspring who must be a pleasure to be around.

However, as OP did not know the children or their parents, it is perfectly reasonable of her to assume there was at least some risk that they might behave like most children and that the best way to safeguard her home and possessions was to ensure the children were not left alone with expensive equipment, new sofas etc.

Bogeyface · 19/03/2015 22:22

Katie my kids are great. Rarely do we have broken, chipped, spilled, scratched, dropped anything....because they are at home and they know where to be careful and where its ok to go mad.

I darent go to friends houses anymore if they dont have kids! The second we walk through the door I go into "DONT TOUCH THAT!!!!" mode, and invariably something will get broken :o

Victoria Wood made me laugh when she said about having small children. She said the most stressful thing in her life was taking a 2 year old boy to the home of a childless, child hating couple who collect early Victorian china. She said that this turns a normal mummy into a Mafia thug! "You touch ANYTHING and Paddington Bear gets the concrete overcoat treatment, do you understand me?!" :o

PuppyMonkey · 19/03/2015 22:23

Lordy three nights sharing a room with my kids, no thanks.

I'm obviously in the minority on this thread but couldn't you have moved things around/ locked stuff away in the office just for the duration of the visit? I think that's why you got all that hinting.

Also I can't stop laughing at electric tilt function but that's because I'm very childish. Grin

KatieKaye · 19/03/2015 22:23

The smallest bedroom in most three bed houses would not accommodate a double bed even if totally empty, Tower.

Far less when equipped as an office.

Unless you were planning on hanging a double hammock from the ceiling.

The adults got beds, the kids had sleeping bags - what was the issue? Apart from the parents rudeness.

HesterBlue · 19/03/2015 22:25

They were rude and should have hidden their disappointment, YANBU!

I always check sleeping arrangements for under 5's with their parents before they come and stay though, just to make sure I'm doing what make them most comfortable (ie do they want their small one(s) in the same room as them or sharing a room with the other kids?)

KatieKaye · 19/03/2015 22:27

Bogey, I'm sure your kids are great.
Saying they rarely break things and are careful is totally different from saying they have never broken anything.

lomega · 19/03/2015 22:28

Agree with blankgaze. "office" does not equal "spare room".

The OP even offered to drag the mattresses into the living room so the parents could sleep in there, giving the guest room to the children, but they declined. If they'd had such an issue sharing a room, after the first night they should have opted for a b&b/hotel instead, though I suspect they'd have to share with the kids even then!!

When I got married I booked the entire hotel out for that evening and offered rooms out to guests first-come, first-serve. One family member who has 2 dd's asked if the children could sleep in with my parents Hmm presumably so they could get drunk and wouldn't have to deal with them at night. Luckily my parents said no, quite rightfully, they wouldn't have wanted to spend their daughter's wedding babysitting!

Bogeyface · 19/03/2015 22:29

couldn't you have moved things around/ locked stuff away in the office just for the duration of the visit?

They did!!

The third bedroom is the office, the second bedroom is the spare. The friends stayed in the spare and were offered the lounge which they didnt want.

I suspect that the friends were expecting the (PG) OP and DH to give up their bed to the guests, the kids in the spare room and OP &DH in the lounge on the mattress.

Bogeyface · 19/03/2015 22:30

Katie did the read the whole post...? Wink

Bogeyface · 19/03/2015 22:30

did you, not did the!

soontobemumofthree · 19/03/2015 22:33

Yanbu, I'd feel happier staying in someones house/ or a hotel sharing a room with dcs. I wouldn't want the dcs getting up at night possibly walking around looking for us.

Opopanax · 19/03/2015 22:33

Oh FFS, my daughter slept on the floor on pillows in her own room a couple of nights ago, just for the fun of it.

YANBU.

We have three bedrooms, too, in theory. But the third is teeny tiny and an office as I work from home. If we had guests, any children would go on the floor on pillows etc in DD's room (or in bed with her if small enough) and the adults would go in the living room on the sofa pillows set up like a bed. If anyone didn't like that, there is a Travelodge round the corner.

KatieKaye · 19/03/2015 22:34

Yes.
Did you read the whole thread?

Bogeyface · 19/03/2015 22:38

Yes I did.

I was agreeing with you but obviously that didnt come across. I was saying that you can easily say "Oh yes, my children never break anything!" because they are at home and know what to touch, what not to touch etc, but in another persons house all bets are off. My kids rarely break things at home because, as I said, they know where to be careful, but its a rare visit where something "off limits" doesnt at least get fiddled with when we are somewhere else because they dont know the rules. I get hyper vigilant and its so stressful, so we dont visit anymore!

There is an unspoken rule that family visits between our friends only happen in the summer when the kids stay in the garden so nothing is likely to get broken. Our TV got a lovely scratch down in 3 weeks after we had thanks to a friends dd... it happens and I refuse to believe that there is a single child in the world that has never done something similar!

Bogeyface · 19/03/2015 22:39

My phone! Sorry for the poor grammar and missing words!

Lovelydiscusfish · 19/03/2015 22:41

YANBU to feel annoyed by their rudeness.
Tbf, have asked to sleep I'm my best friends' lounge, when we go to stay there, and for dd to go in their spare room - it is a pita to share with her, as she wakes up when we go in to bed, and then we don't get a moment's peace. They seem fine with this.
Similarly at dh's bf's house, I more or less insisted dd go in their office - tbf she is still in a travel cot, so not likely to be marauding around the room disturbing papers etc. They were ok with it, and I did discuss it before we arrived.
So I do get the desire of these parents not to share with their dc - but then it behoves them to work out a better solution with you beforehand, and if one is not available, to politely decline. They shouldn't just turn up and then be dicks about it.

Sukie272 · 19/03/2015 22:51

Our office has 2 desks in it and several filing cabinets, plus shelves with lab equipment. If we took the desks out it would fit a single bed. With desks in-situ there's just enough floor-space for 2 children to curl up on floor, but it would take hours to remove equipment (in addition to monitors, modems, printers, scanner, hub etc it also contains my partner's ongoing engineering projects so lots of circuit boards, wires, tools laid out on his desk. He doesn't like to move these until completed. So really not practical to convert office into a temporary bedroom.

AllPaccino I appreciate many children are careful, but I wouldn't want to take the risk of them getting injured or damaging something.

I can imagine it must be frustrating for parents if they expected a room of their own and felt let-down, or couldn't sleep. I agree we should have been clear about rooms before they came. But I do think it was also their responsibility to ask about sleeping arrangements before visit as it was so important to them.

I got the impression their other friends always provided 2 rooms and they'd never been in this situation before.
I'm not sure why they declined offer of mattresses in living-room, they seemed almost offended by the suggestion. It seemed like they didn't care where children slept provided they had guestroom to themselves!

OP posts:
Bogeyface · 19/03/2015 22:54

Sukie as I said above, I suspect they were expecting you to sleep on the mattress and give them your room. The offence was taken when you didnt do that.

What does your DH say about how they behaved?