to think this is unacceptable and wonder why Scotland is fair game for racist attacks like this

[ScotsWhaHae]

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/mar/09/steve-bells-if-

It's not even funny.

Incest? Wtf?

I'm disappointed in the guardian. It raises the question though, substitute the Scottish references for some other nation, would that be acceptable?

We got told repeatedly about the anti English sentiment north of the border last year, during the referendum. Shit like this isn't appearing in Scottish editions of the news papers.

Along with the casual racism lets add sexism into the mix. We have a female first minister. Repeatedly in main stream media I hear people talk about Alex salmond and the snp. He's not the leader of the party or the first minister. Is the press that out if touch with Scottish politics or are they just ignoring Nicola on account of her begin female?

And let's not get started on 'the wee lassie with a tin helmet' comment. But that won't be in any of the English editions will it?

This is probably the worst:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10679203/General-accuses-SNP-minister-of-endangering-his-family-after-Cybernat-attack.html

If an actual SNP minister sees nothing wrong with publishing the home address, email address and phone number of an 83 year old on Twitter, mocking his letter-writing campaign, and resulting in him receiving abusive emails and living in fear, then what hope for the rest?

As busy as you are with links you still haven't come up with the one to back up your claim the SNP had a list of companies to boycott though. Im not a Cybernat as you put it and have zero interest in posting abuse. But I do know there was a lot of nasty stuff on both sides during the Referendum.

If "the worst" these terrible Cybernats have done is republish info which is already a matter of public record, I demand the return of the SNLA and both their dugs on baler twine. We need a few exploding post boxes.

Ho hum, today's English edition of The Scum Sun.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11091801/Big-business-warned-of-day-of-reckoning-if-Scots-vote-Yes.html

You have forgotten this idiocy then?

I seem to recall lists of companies that the Nat supporters wanted to boycott popping up all over the place. They weren't official lists but I don't recall Eck or Nicola making any attempt to distance themselves.

It's not a particularly funny or clever cartoon but I loathe both of them so frankly couldn't care less

Oh and in relation to Roseanna Cunningham claiming the general's address and telephone number were on Who's Who - that is not true. Address possibly but not number.

Thanks BrightBlowsTheBroom I had foolishly assumed that someone sitting on the internet with full blown amnesia yet purporting to be offended by a Scottish cartoon, could use google.

As busy as you are with links you still haven't come up with the one to back up your claim the SNP had a list of companies to boycott though

As busy as you think I am, believe me its simply the exercise of a fingertip tapping on a keyboard to elicit amusement.

BrightBlows - what Rosanna Cunninghame actually did was take a photograph of the letter (which contained the personal details) sent to her in her professional capacity as an MSP and post it on twitter.

I boycott a couple of local companies, one is due to them sending their staff threatening letters about voting Yes.

If people want to boycott companies then what right has the SNP to tell them not to?

The SNP didn't compile a list but if people decided to compile a list of companies to boycott then what is the actual issue with that?

Fair enough Chandler, I get amused to at how desperate some people can get about their "side" on the referendum. You lied and cant provide a link. Yes there were lists that supporters wanted to boycott - so??. None of them came from the SNP itself.

Chandler I know but she tried to claim it was OK as the info was in the public domain.

Re boycotts I bought a couple of Denise Mina's whom I'd never read before as I was so impressed that she, JK Rowling and King Creosote had the guts to speak out given they were flying in the face of the Scottish arts community. (Was particularly pleased about KC)

Of course you can boycott who you like. I have boycotted Murdoch press and Tesco for decades. In the context of the referendum however and given the Nat supporters general tendency to ignorr tedious things like economic reality the shrill calls of boycott this/ boycott that were just a bit silly.

Absolutely agree that some of the boycott stuff was ridiculous.

CrystalCove I am about as far removed from being a liar as you can imagine.

BrightBlows this sort of deliberate amnesia is probably also a trend in modern Scottish politics. I think some politicians have worked out that if you don't write things down, yet encourage it, you get the effect when you need it, and then can more easily deny it at a later date.

Local authority licensing in Scotland is a prime example. No businesses really know what they have to do to comply in some areas, because it varies so much and is never written down - instead it arrives in an individual letter from an employee in the department.

No certainty and precious little comeback if a mistake has been made.

I'm not a fan of Westminster either but I have to say Holyrood could teach it a thing or two about political tactics and scandals!

I am about as far removed from being a liar as you can imagine.

Chandler I dont know you in real life. All I know is you have lied on this thread by stating the SNP had lists, that's all I have to go on.

CrystalCove would you mind quoting the actual words I used, rather than the words you think I have used?

And then explain why you are trying so hard to discredit someone who is speaking slightly critically of the Scottish Government?

Or do you want me to start using the same tactic on you and what you have said? i.e. attributing meanings to your words and trying to prove some point that means they are bad/sad/evil/deluded?

Its very easy to do....because it requires only a thug mentality and not the ability to actually think about the meaning of things.

Its also pretty dim, but I can live with that. The majority of this thread is hardly Balzac.

Im not trying so hard to discredit anyone, I just dislike liars thats all. I have a few friends in real life that voted No and I respected their opinion without obviously agreeing with it.

Your actual words I have already highlighted but here we go again:

This is one of the usual tactics of the SNP though - censoring other people's free speech and laying on the victimhood thick and exaggerated. Who can forget their list of "prohibited companies" which their supporters were meant to avoid after the Referendum, because they had publicly acknowledged support for the Union?

Seems clear enough to me Chandler, you were talking about the tactics of the SNP (according to you) and then said "their" list of prohibited companies.

Look, you're wasting your time if you think your little cybernat bullying tactics will intimidate me.

Absolutely, if the SNP fails continually to criticise such actions by its supporters at such an important time, yet claim to have Scotland's interests at heart (despite the damage this sort of thing does to the economy), then yes, they are in my estimation, publicly approving such lists. Its the way the SNP works.

So, what are we going to do about you being a liar and your other problems? Because you've moved on from claiming there were no such lists to claiming that the SNP had no such list. Can you prove that?

Cybernat bullying tactics = holding you to account for your words, clearly written here. You may have written in error, but you have been corrected and now fluster and bluster. Are you Creepy Jim?

What damage does "this sort of thing" do to the economy? What "sort of thing"; SNP not having a list of companies to boycott? Maybe you're Johann, except that she's nursing the stab wounds in her back right now...

How does one prove a negative? It would surely be much, much easier for you to provide link(s) to WoS, as you said that's where the list(s) are posted. (Noting again that WoS has no connection with the SNP.)

It certainly seems like a creepy Jim tactic doesn't it?

There's no 'amnesia' going on. I'm well aware of the use of the term cybernat. I was asking, because you seem so keen on it, who you thought they were. You speak like they are an assembled bunch of snp recruits. Turns out my suspicion was right though. It's used to silence people you don't agree with. Somewhat diminishing the abhorrent on line trolling we seem during the referendum when it's used constantly to silence someone who doesn't agree with you.

Remember, people are able to think and group all by themselves. I managed to get offended by that cartoon all by myself. Stop crediting the SNP with everything.

Now, if you're done derailing the thread, trot on. Or feel free to join in, in a rational, joined up manner. But stop inferring people are thick.

IMO, the SNP shot themselves in the foot by not condemning the cybernats, boycott lists etc. They needed every vote they could get, and by not doing this, they lost voters like me who are pretty moderate people and who have no deep rooted belief that the UK is the best way forward simply because it is. I listened to comments like Jim Sillar's "day of reckoning" and saw the boycott lists and watched the trolling of JK Rowling etc and was horrified by the bully boy atmosphere it created. The SNP, by not condemning these, were tainted by association for me and so it was a very large factor (though not the only one) as to why they didn't get my vote.

Should there ever be another referendum, it's likely that they will yet again, need every vote they can get and you would hope they listen to the reasons they lost votes last time round.

The SNP have said that abuse is unacceptable on many occasions.

Disagreeing with someone or boycotting companies isn't abusive though.

The Labour Party have senior members, a Lord no less abusing people on line & make no such apology. Also the wife of one of the lead figures in Better Together is a foul mouthed article who is worse than many "cybernats".

I'm not a Cybernst but you clearly have your own agenda Chandler. Is anyone who vited yes and will vote for the SNP and then posts about it a Cybernat? If so I'm as much a Cyberbaker and a Cybermumsnetter!!! At no point did I say the lists didn't exist - you're making that up now to - just that it wasn't the SNP who made them up like you said....typical tactic by someone whose been caught out, turn it round and shout bullying.

I think some of you have forgotten how intimidated No supporters were by the almost ISIS like fervor of the Yes campaign. Posters everywhere. Bullying. Rallies and online campaigns. I was blamed for Culloden because, you know, if you vote No you can clearly time travel. I was told that voting No was tantamount to condoning slavery. Made me evil, showed I had no conscience. This is by "friends" - not anonymous strangers on here.

When it tipped over from being political enthusiasm to intimidation, I don't know, but it did.

Yes voters appropriated the saltire, making my deeply proud Scottish husband unable to display the flag he holds so dear. They still think they own it.

I work in a school. Pupils were openly given essays to write about the campaign and sat beside each other on computers pushing each other to vote Yes. When the result was in, most No voters simply quietly went about their business, perhaps with the odd smile. Had it been Yes, I would have been unable to come to work because of the cruelty and intimidation of colleagues.

We only felt safe putting up a tiny "No Thanks" poster when our neighbour did too. Even then, my Union Jack bunting was kept inside the house.

No won. And yet we are now seeing our vote railroaded by the SNP who are not respecting the settled will of the people, but seeking to get round it with political machinations. Even the 45% relies on a neat rounding up of the figures (actually 44.7%) to make a link with Bonnie Prince Charlie and the past. Someone on here is going on about the Highland Clearances - really? Terrible, terrible times. But, again, No voter, not time traveller. Not responsible.

Not once have NS or AS come out and condemned the intimidation and nastiness of the likes of Wings, or the 45, or any other fringe organisations. Not once.

Scotland voted No. It should be over. But, it isn't.