my dp NEVER tips

[suzzieanneba46]

My dp just refuses ever to tip. This is because he worked in a pizza restaurant when he was a student and never got any of the tips as he worked in the kitchen.

Aibu to think he needs to give this up and just go along with social norms?

I would like to see prices in restaurants being increased to whatever food and drink needs to cost in order for the business to be sustainable and this tipping lark to end.

I think that a culture of tipping does lead to better service though.

Over-tipping is excruciating and quite patronising - and I say that as a tipper myself. It makes people look like mugs - and so they are. If you tip for pitiful and mediocre service, best to keep quiet about it rather than bleat about your worthiness.

Non-tippers aren't the ones starting threads. Why is that? It's such a non-issue. Tip if you want, don't if you don't want to. It's not worth getting bent out of shape for.

'Narc.' Tippers of the world unite

I'm popping some extra loot on that table next time.

Marynary... How so? If tips rain down for poor and excellent service alike - and everything in between. How does that generate better service?

Marynary... How so? If tips rain down for poor and excellent service alike - and everything in between. How does that generate better service?

Tips don't rain down for both poor and excellent service though. I don't think that in the UK people generally tip if the service is poor. They only tip if the service is at least quite good. This encourages good service.

Bad service is a cause for complaint and I wouldn't expect to pay the whole bill, let alone more on top (depending on the problem) it's not related to tipping and very few people would sit through awful service without saying something then tip as usual at the end. If they do they clearly don't care too much at how bad it's been.

No, they tip for every service. Read the thread, that is the case. Mostly, we have 'mediocre' service - and that is tipped for. We orchestrate this sorry state of affairs (and boast about it).

Would Morrissey tip for standard service Scoop? That's the question you should be asking yourself.

WWMD?

Are you referring to me lying? I've read the the thread, have been posting on it since the beginning. No one has said they tip everytime even when the service is worthy of complaint.

"MQv2 -if employers had to pay more in wages they would increase the price of food etc though."

But that's based on the assumption that employers would increase the wages if tips were done away with. The fact that there's plenty of people working just as hard mw jobs as waiting tables etc makes me think that employers currently staffing positions on the bare mw would just continue to staff these positions on mw.

In other cultures where tipping is the norm etc I tip (and as mentioned above I tend to tip through convenience in this culture too as I rarely eat out alone) but I don't think those stating definitively that tipping is the social norm in uk/Ireland are as right as they think they are as threads like this kind of prove.
Just because they keep stating it doesn't make it so in the same way non tippers repeating "it's not our culture/ it's an Americanism " doesn't make then right.
I think there has always been a type of tipping culture in Ireland but it was wildly different to what some would now contend is the norm and was much closer to leaving a quid for the lounge boy/girl etc who were on less than minimum wage.
Taxi men essentially had a monopoly for years so they weren't getting tipped.

No, Feck, it was to MaryNary.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe -it depends on what you call "mediocre" service. I only tip if the food is quite good which for some people might mean "mediocre". I tip more if it is very good.

I always tip. How much exactly depends on the quality of the service. I tip cab drivers and my hairdresser's assistant too. Not my hairdresser though. He already gets £150 for a 30 minute hair cut appointment and I wouldn't stick to my usual 10-20% tip.

But that's based on the assumption that employers would increase the wages if tips were done away with. The fact that there's plenty of people working just as hard mw jobs as waiting tables etc makes me think that employers currently staffing positions on the bare mw would just continue to staff these positions on mw.

I used to work in a very busy pub restaurant and the only reason people wanted to work in the restaurant was because it paid better because of tips/ I don't know if you have ever been a waitress but I personally think it's a lot harder to do a good job in a busy restaurant than a lot of other mw wage jobs such as working behind a bar or shop. I would only work as a waiter if it it paid more.

Are servers paid less here, as they are in the US? In the US, the kitchen staff are paid minimum wage (or better, depending on their position) but wait staff are paid less than half minimum wage and expected to make it up in tips. It's appalling.

Here, if there is a tip har, I put some change in, otherwise, it depends on the style of restaurant and how much service we required beyond the basics (in other words, did we bring ds? Did he spill anything? Was he loud? Did they have the good sense to not leave us waiting to order? (Amazes me when staff ignore the table with kids, you really want to get us served before they get bored, and out if your station as soon as possible. We want this too. Work with us!)

*Tip Jar

Marynary... Don't you expect your food to be 'good'? If so, why aren't you tipping the chef? What has the server to do with it?

I'm not being antagonistic, those are genuine questions that I ask myself. I think we're extremely conditioned to following a convention and we don't question it.

Some examples of really good service have been given in this thread - making an effort with children, going to find x, y, z special thing, asking if something 'off menu' can be provided, etc. Guiding to a table, taking and delivering food/drink orders... that is what the staff are there for, isn't it? The execution of it is what can be worthy of a tip, IMO, but for bog-standard service? That's just following a tipping convention. All fine if you want to do that but people who don't, shouldn't be castigated for that.

Service is hugely different here in the UK and in France. I think that people in the UK are generally expectant of the standard tipping for standard service - and that doesn't generate better service at all, it allows some employers to dodge paying their staff properly.

I work in the service industry (in a pub where service is not included) and it's the type of place where you don't expect tips. But if I go out to eat I always tip as long as the service isn't terrible! Most waiting staff are on minimum wage and the extra money makes a lot of difference to them. The arguement that other professions don't get tipped is rubbish. Are they on minimum wage? Probably not. Do they put up with the rudeness and snobbery we do on a daily basis? The husband should let go of the past, why should he be so bitter still? Most good restaurants share tips between all the staff

How do you know who is on minimum wage or not, Liz87? Why do you say that argument is 'rubbish'? I'd sooner tip a nurse than anyway waiting staff but that's not convention.

Most establishments - eateries or otherwise - have policies in place now to deal with rudeness and aggression... why do you need tipping for putting up with that? Nurses suffer this too...

Tipping for 'at least it was terrible' is utterly ridiculous. We're getting what we deserve.

Yup I've waited and tended bars and I found it a tough job, it's not one that suits me and its a job is not do now for any amount of money.
I have no doubt many people currently work it as they expect the tips to be good, but my point wasn't that these people didn't work hard or expect tips.
But that employers who currently pay mw, if faced with the abolition of tipping and a current staff now demanding more money, wouldn't simply raise prices if they thought it would scare off customers instead they'd just find new staff who would work for mw and no tips with prices remaining the same.
And in that manner I don't think tippers are subsidising non tippers in a debate about uk/Irish culture and tipping because I don't think that tipping is artificially keeping the prices lower.

I used to be a waitress. Work my ass off for 11 hours, with a 20 min lunch break. Waitressing is not so easy: all day on your feet, doing miles of walking back and forth. You carry hot heavy plates of food. You deal with grumpy arrogant chefs in the kitchen who won't admit their food was rubbish/didn't read the order properly.
As a waiter you greet people, take orders, make conversation, entertain. You deal with all sorts pf people and you have to mull your personality based on them. Some will be rude and snappy with you, just because they're miserable with their life. You have to smile. Some will say to their children 'don't thank her darling-she's just a waitress!'.
You still have to smile.
And you're under pressure, you have to remember 30 tables at a time, bring drinks, bring deserts, take payments, deal with your colleagues.
Also.... In most restaurants, the tips get shared between the floor staff, bar staff and kitchen staff.
I was a student, paying for my rent and bills and working 24/7 and i was always skint.
So please please, next time you go out don't assume that waitressing is soo easy . A £2 tip pays somebody's bus fare.

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Marynary... Don't you expect your food to be 'good'? If so, why aren't you tipping the chef? What has the server to do with it?

I expect the tip to be shared with all the staff. I think that happens in good restaurants.

As for France, I don't generally find the service to be that good compared with the UK. They are certainly generally less friendly (although I noticed in Paris that they fall over backwards when serving American who generally give large tips).

My brother does not tip - 'those people are paid a wage'.
He also does not clap at the theatre as 'no-one claps him for doing his blardy job'
He is a joy

But that employers who currently pay mw, if faced with the abolition of tipping and a current staff now demanding more money, wouldn't simply raise prices if they thought it would scare off customers instead they'd just find new staff who would work for mw and no tips with prices remaining the same.

People vote with their feet and if you can get an easier similar job for the same wage they will go for that if they can. The best staff would probably work in shop or bar rather than a restaurant if the wage was the same as the shop/bar work is easier. The ones that were left would probably be the less employable and probably not as good at the job.