To think Tory voters have no moral compass and empathy

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Firstly I'm not labour I follow politics but can not think of a party I really relate to.

Anyway every article I read the book I'm reading has made me come to that conclusion. I'm currently reading a book by Owen Jones which has really opened my eyes.

The fact that anyone with below £10 mil in their account can vote for them is beyond me.

But why would anyone vote for a party that bashes the disabled the poor and anyone outside of their Etonian elite. The only people that would want a party and policies like this have to have no empathy.

The way the Tories have handled the investigation into child abuse is quite chilling.

lem the horrendous cuts that Cameron has made to our Forces has made our country a more dangerous place. After the election, if he gets in, he will be paying more in foreign aid than he will to the defence budget. The world is a very dangerous place, we are already involved in Iraq, it won't be long before things happen in Ukraine and yet he still won't give the Forces the money and kit they need.

Political and indeed religious intolerance is one of the biggest problems in the world at the present time. Demonising anyone who dares to think differently, even slightly differently, is the usual tactic of the foot soldiers of intolerance.

And yet it's astonishing how intolerant the left is of philosophies that don't chime with its worldview.

I also agree with RedToothBrush that the tuition fees policies are bollocks. Worse than that: they are actually a tax cut for high-earning graduates.

Student loan repayments are effectively a graduate tax, that only kicks in above a certain earning threshold. Lower earning graduates will never incur repayments, while higher earning ones will. So if you reduce tuition fees, you are reducing the amount of contribution better-off graduates have to make toward the cost of their tuition.

Effectively it's a tax cut for high-earning graduates. It's such an appalling dereliction of Miliband's vaunted principles that I'm inclined to think of it as a perfect example (like Clegg's universal free school meals thing) of government by special pleading, eye-catching initiatives, 24-hour news cycles.

Agreed the cuts in the defence budget are absolutely appalling. As said last night on Sky news, Cameron has done what Hitler couldn't, leave us without an aircraft carrier. However I do not want us to be in a situation where we need to make use of our armed forces. The Iraq war completely destabilized the region and while I predicted it would lead to more extremism at the time, I couldn't have imagined it would be as bad as Isis.

'Samcro Blair told a lie to Parliament which led to a war which even today has serious repercussions and has made the world a more dangerous place. Stop trying to defend him.'

I HAVE NEVER DEFENDED HIM
just can't see to point of him on this thread, unless it is to derail it. he is not up for election. so he as pointless as he has ever been.
imo people bring him up as they want people to not talk about the present government and the bad they have done THAT IS NOT ME DEFENDING HIM.

The National Debt is almost double now to what it was in 2010!

And this has nothing whatsoever to do with Gordon Brown's decision, when the financial crisis hit, to borrow gigantic amounts to bail out the banks on top of the structural deficit he'd created from the surplus New Labour inherited in 1998.

Besides. Seriously. You can't criticise Osborne for causing suffering by cutting spending to try and make the debt smaller, while also criticising him for continuing to borrow so spending doesn't all have to be cut.

Read more books and fewer headlines. Does no one learn basic political science anymore?

The Republic - Plato
Mein Kampf - Hitler
Democracy in America - Alexis de Tocqueville
The Communist Manifesto - Marx and Engels
The Prince - Machiavelli
The Social Contract - Jean-Jacques Rousseau
The Rights of Man - Thomas Paine
The Art of War - Sun Tzu

This is but a small sampling, I could go on...

Actually Samcro I was criticising the Labour voters who voted for him AFTER he got us in an illegal (and immoral) war. That was my point.

But we are in a situation where we have to make use of our Armed Forces, people like my husband and my son, yet Cameron just keeps cutting and cutting. He won't even pledge the 2% of GDP a which is the agreement with NATO. And it's not just aircraft carriers, it's simple things like boots. I have just bought my son a pair at the cost of £150 because his collapsed and they couldn't get him any more.

I didn't agree with Iraq war, and I do think Tony Blair should be charged with war crimes, but it happened. Afghanistan was already ongoing when we invaded Iraq. We can't leave our troops under equipped now because people don't like what happened in the past.

I own my own business which employs quite a lot of people, live rurally and lots of people in my family go hunting. I'd be mad to vote anything other than tory as people like me are hated by Labour and the left wing press. Which is a shame as I am actually a very empathetic, kind person.

Twinkle those books come under the umbrella of political theory not political science. Sorry to be pedantic but I've got an MA in politics (international relations) so I can't resist it. I'm also not too keen on the term 'political science'. Just too American for me ??

Besides. Seriously. You can't criticise Osborne for causing suffering by cutting spending to try and make the debt smaller, while also criticising him for continuing to borrow so spending doesn't all have to be cut.

He is not doing what he is doing to make the debt smaller otherwise it wouldn't have risen as much, he is doing it because it is ideological. He could stop taking off the poor, sick and disabeld, the people who are most vulnerable in society but they are the easiest targets.

lem, point taken. I confess to hesitating before I typed 'science'.

Still, cracking good reads.

If you want to have serious political debate in the UK in 2015 you cannot do so without mentioning Tony Blair. He changed the political landscape forever, and also turned a political party into a completely unrecognisable beast. Third way politics quickly condensed in one way dressed up slightly differently from party to party.

We can't have a conversation about defence cuts and trident without talking about how much more dangerous a world he helped created. We can't talk about radicalisation of British youth without acknowledging that he is the very architect of the crucible that incubated these people.

It's not thread derailment. It's reality.

lem I have a "political science/public policy" degree (enough credits for a double major- basically I didn't dodge the language requirements for poly sci and I didn't dodge the intermediate level econ for public policy.)

I read all those titles and more, bar Sun Zsu's.

i vote Tory and I'm very empathic and have a very good moral compass, I regularly volunteer for a local charity helping those who struggling and I also have a severely disabled child but I think the Tory government are trying to get this country back on its feet, labour stole a whole generation of young people by letting them languish on benefits instead of forcing them into work and being self sufficient which I believe has led to the surge in mental health problems, alcohol and drug dependency, I see it every day and the young people who are trying to sort out their lives who come and volunteer with us, the difference is amazing, very quickly they developed a confidence and sense of pride, everyone needs to feel useful and like they are contributing and by pushing Young people into work can only be a good thing, the only thing I wish they would change is the zero hour contracts I think they are despicable

I do wonder if this is a "black Project" posting. posted by a Double Agent ?
(Conservative Central office)... The Poster has not come back..

I say this because all this stupid and wholly inaccurate post has done, is get Conservative voters posting that they are not lacking in empathy or moral compass.

They have quite rightly posted that Tony Blair is lacking in a Moral compass and what is worse a belief that God said he should invade IRAQ for the common good.

The truth is Conservative voters are no more or less moral than labour Lib Dem's or (idiotic) Green voters. People whoever they vote for in 99% of the time are doing it to improve their circumstances. They are very few people voting a certain party for ideological reasons. The number of people
voting on the basis of the "common good" rather than personal , I suspect could be counted on one hand despite what people might say .

Yanbu

Simply because I don't understand how anyone would be proud of a party which introduces benefit sanctions which are so inhuman. I'm all for making people work when they can, but cutting money because someone is in hospital etc etc - what the actual fuck?

I think all parties have way too many career politicians in them, who are out of touch and self serving.

When am I going to be able to vote for someone to win rather than voting for someone to not get in?

You don't have to be proud of a party to vote for it, Iggly. I will vote but will not be proud of any of the parties I get to choose from.

Talk about sweeping statements.....perhaps we should have one for each political party? I'm not clever enough to think of any but I'm sure someone else here is!

I do wonder if this is a "black Project" posting. posted by a Double Agent ?
(Conservative Central office)

Yup, highly likely.

In which case do have lots of these.

You'd think after the Harriet Harman debacle they'd have realised MNetters aren't as daft as they think we are.

Well one Tory is happy to describe benefit sanctions as inhuman ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31716210

It's also noteworthy that he has been bitchslapped by David Cameron.

You should also read The Spirit Level

Agreed, Ineedtimeoff. And for anyone who would rather watch a short video instead of reading the book can see an interesting talk by one of the authors, Richard Wilkinson, on TED. Social inequality is harmful to society in general, not just those at the bottom of the pile.

It does often strike me that whilst the Tories tended to place the entire blame for the repercussions felt in the UK of the global economic crisis in 2008 at Gordon Brown's door, they're having their cake and eating it a bit (qu'ils manchent du brioche!) by arguing that, in this case, the reason our National Debt has increased over the last 5 years has also been entirely due to Gordon Brown!

Outgoing governments 5 years ago - entirely logical as source of blame for current situation.
Global economic crisis - no excuse for any economic crisis under aegis of Gordon Brown.