to think that woman on the jubilee line is a plain racist

[casusally]

Listening to LBC today and lots of people where saying she did nothing racist saying "you guys used to be slaves". I'm glad the police are taking this seriously. Warning offensive video

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-comes-forward-after-racist-rant-video-shot-on-jubilee-line-line-train-10049662.html

MaidOfStars - Whenever racism is mentioned sometimes white people feel uncomfortable, as though admitting that it exists gives black/coloured people an edge, or that we are a bunch of different teams scoring points on one another. The Holocaust, or whats happening in Israel/Palestine is never spoken about with such a laissez - faire attitude, yet black / Asian people have a slight tendency to have their problems seen as just moaning, or something plain irrelevant. As I've said several times now, sexism, or any other kind or prejudice is never ever dissected and analysed as much as racism towards the darker people of the world is.

TheChandler - A racist comment, and a presumptuous comment are two different things. The man was presumptuous, the lady was racist. All these anecdotes such as "He's being just as racist as calling her racist" is offensive. You wouldn't say that a lady who had a feeling her male boss was being sexist, and who confronted him about it was being sexist herself. You lot (mumsnetters that is) would bloody applaud her and call her balsy and a strong woman.

I must re-iterate that racist comments are made by racist people and racist people are scum. I'm not racist, and thus no matter how angry someone made me I WOULD NEVER EVER BRING THEIR RACE INTO IT!!!!!!!

Funny how no one seems to be making that point. And if someone accused me of being racist I WOULDN'T RESPOND WITH A RACIST COMMENT because wait for it.......I'M NOT RACIST!!!!

don't white people make generalisations about black people all the time? don't pretend that you don't know that they do. are the white posters who are so casually and effortlessly racist on here, casually and effortlessly racist in real life? probably yes.

candidkate - whatever your point is, the man on the train appears to have picked on the woman because he is both sexist and racist.

How can you be sure he is not racist but be certain that she is?

creighton
"don't white people make generalisations about black people all the time? don't pretend that you don't know that they do. are the white posters who are so casually and effortlessly racist on here, casually and effortlessly racist in real life? probably yes."

Does your world revolve around generalisations?

Candidkate TheChandler - A racist comment, and a presumptuous comment are two different things. The man was presumptuous, the lady was racist.

Would you like to explain why, using evidence (which presumably you can do, since you are so certain you are right) why the man's comment was not racist?

And when I say evidence, I don't mean your personal pronoucements that something is, just because you say it is.

yes I did, I answered the way I wanted to

yes the world does revolve around generalisations, you can't tell me that I am wrong about the generalisations that white people make about black people

creighton

of course a generalisation is incorrect as it is based on assumptions.

Mintyy Look, I'm not God. All I know is that he didn't behave through is words or actions in a sexist or racist manner. He didn't bring up her sex or race actually. HE BROUGHT UP HIS. If he had said "YOU WHITE WOMEN WOULD NEVER TELL A WHITE MAN TO NOT TOUCH YOU" then we would be having a different conversation.

There is evidence of his rudeness, thus he was rude. There is clear evidence or her racism, thus she is a racist. Why is everyone dissecting it, as though they are trying to avoid making this woman accountable for her actions at all costs.

If a woman wrongly and aggressively accused a man of staring at her breasts, so he grabbed them in retaliation, you all would be setting your keyboards on fire with "sexism" "assault" "that man is appalling he should have just walked away". NO ONE would be making such a big deal out of the fact that the female was "rude first" or "started it"

This is what i mean when i say racism sometimes makes white people uncomfortable, it's like some of them will do anything to avoid admitting it exists, or that someone is clearly experiencing it.

Everyone keeps on bringing up that he was blatantly rude, like that has anything to do with her racism. Racism and rudeness are not on par and they are not the same thing.

Disgusting that they are being treated as such

What would he have said to a black woman who reprimanded him for touching her? Would he have brought race into it at all? The fact that he does could be seen to be racist. As in he would not have accused a black woman of being racist, when he feels quite happy to accuse a white woman of being racist.

Are you ok with that?

All I know is that he didn't behave through is words or actions in a sexist or racist manner

You think he'd have behaved exactly the same towards a man (no? ergo sexist) or a black person (no? ergo racist).

candidkate Mintyy Look, I'm not God.

No of course you are not, but you do appear to have a god complex. I know you think you are very clever, but you aren't, really.

The man made a racist statement, because he made an assumption based on race AND because he accused someone else (wrongly at the time) of acting in a racist manner.

*he also tried very hard to provoke an argument quite deliberately).

No matter how hard you try, you cannot overlook these facts. He was not some innocent, wronged bystander, to whom the woman made a racist comment. You cannot consider the incident on its own because the racist comment by the woman was as a result of, and influenced by, what went on before it.

I have to also say that I find the comments that the woman should sit in her seat or avoid the man idiotic as well. There is no reason why a woman should react to a man ranting her in any particular way.

TheChandler He didnt call her racist because she was white. He called her racist because he felt like she was being racist. Black people are racist to other black people, whites to other whites etc.

Black people are very racist to one another in some parts of the world, and actually have class systems based on who's light and who's darker. This is equally as deplorable.

As for you asking me for evidence - I wont be rude and copy and past the dictionary's definition of "racist", but as we are educated anglophiles, I think understanding the meaning of the word and applying it appropriately is all the evidence needed here.

I had a white neighbor who was obsessed with having mixed raced grandchildren and would say "luke don't you dare bring a boring white girl home do you hear me I want one of those cute brown babies"

Shes clearly being racist to her own race by calling that poor little child "a boring white girl" and by presuming that white babies aren't "cute"

So as I said, there is no evidence he called her racist because she was white, she brought up slavery because he was black - that's racist. Just because he said the actual word racist doesnt mean he's being racist. I'm calling this lady racist, does that make me and everyone who accuses her of being racist a racist too? Was the American Civil Rights movement a racist movement because blacks said enough is enough? Was WW2 racist because the world said no hitler, killing jews is wrong

So why why why why why is someone saying hey, don't be racist wrong in any other context. This is what i mean when i say racism towards colored people is sometimes skimmed over and over analysed so people can avoid putting their hands up and saying oh look - something horrid just happened there. Is not a match. We aren't scoring points.

it's like some of them will do anything to avoid admitting it exists, or that someone is clearly experiencing it

Actually, I think this thread has shown that most people (of whatever colour/ethnicity) can recognise racism where it occurs, regardless of the colour of the skin of the offender.

your questions will remain unanswered (to your satisfaction) because I am not answerable to you, whoever you are. my points have not been answered, am I making a song and dance about it?

good post hesterton

very true what you say we have to at times ask ourselves some difficult questions

I'm quite sure gay people do accuse other gay people of homophobia when they don't know them and have never met them before!