to think that woman on the jubilee line is a plain racist

[casusally]

Listening to LBC today and lots of people where saying she did nothing racist saying "you guys used to be slaves". I'm glad the police are taking this seriously. Warning offensive video

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-comes-forward-after-racist-rant-video-shot-on-jubilee-line-line-train-10049662.html

MistressMerryWeather

So racist meets racist, yet she apparently is worse than him.

You do get a fair number of (usually) blokes who shoulder barge into you then give you the evils to try to intimidate you.

One sod even tried it with my ten year old recently. He was scuttling ahead (in school uniform) to get to the train and a grown man deliberately shoulder barged into him - a small boy - in a fairly empty station, then stopped all bristling to stand his ground/prove his manhood, or whatever. Bless 'I'm, DS swings around and yelled 'watch out, mate, I'm a black belt!' (which he is), which made a few people stop and turn. Bargey muttered 'owrite my man' patted him on the shoulder and scuttled off.

I've had words with DS about bargey people, mouthing off at people, and why he won't be taking himself to school by himself for the foreseeable.

She is worse than him, she could barely acknowledge him as a human being.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Both were in the wrong.

No she was in the wrong

Him deciding that she objected to him bumping into her was based on racism is also wrong. That is also racism.

Standard arrogant white woman who knows nothing but whose 'opinion'must count for more than any black person's
Nobody has said that. Rant off.

The reason no one stood up for her is that she is an ignorant gobshite who wanted to put the blacks in their place
She wanted to "put blacks in their place"? Are you kidding me? Have you watched the video????

She told a man to stop touching her (fat chance on the Tube but never mind). He accused her of being racist and that she mustn't want to touch him because he is black. WTF?

Being accused of racism when innocent is disgusting and heart breaking. Being accused of racism based only on your skin colour is a racist incident in itself. Defending yourself using reference to slavery is not on. All kinds of wrong here but the man's behaviour was disgraceful, and she said the wrong thing.

she said "you only have a problem because you guys used to be slaves"

she sounds French or Eastern european, she's trying to make a point, badly and in broken English that he is simply being ovely sensitive and is so aware of his own skin colour/and hers and his history and that is why he's putting his own sensitivities on others. I accept she should not have even gone there but he was incredibly aggressive, in her face, ranting, shouting, very threatening indeed, and I do not accept jer arhument is fundamentally racist at all.

She is not saying "get out of my way - you guys used to be slaves" (inferring because he is black he should get out of her way) she is saying he is the one with the problem/paranoia and assuming this is about skin colour when it isn't.

Really advanced level of argument there Creighton.

And all of your excuses for her sloppy arrogant racism are better are they?

Creighton, can you explain why you think the woman in question deserved to be shouted at, intimidated, threatened, harassed, accused of racism before she said the slavery thing?

Bubgal she has no right to tell him about his history . She and you do not know his history. She knows she is white and therefore permitted to speak even when she doesn't know what she is speaking about. Another black person tells her that she does not know what she is speaking about but you ignore that

So she is merely giving a black person a history lesson about how his skin colour and history regarding slavery has coloured his opinion towards white people? That's ok then.

Creighton, can you explain why you think the woman in question deserved to be shouted at, intimidated, threatened, harassed, accused of racism before she said the slavery thing?

Can you show me where the poor white dear was intimidated, harassed etc? Shestayed on the train eexpressly to argue. She doesn't seem oppressesd to me.

She was shouted at, she was jeered by others, she was accused of being racist, she was called names. It went on for minutes before she made the slavery comment.

You think that's OK?

"the slavery thing" says it all really!

Says what exactly? Let me tell you what it says: I can't be arsed to type out the full quote. That's it.

thornrose You think it's acceptable for the man to launch an angry, racially-motivated tirade of abuse at her before she made the comment about slavery?

Nope, his behaviour was totally unacceptable but there is a line which she crossed when bringing up slavery as a response in 2015. I'm astonished you can't see that.

In almost every post I've made, I've been clear that she crossed a line, stupid, dangerous thing to say.

He is also guilty of racism. He made an assumption about her based on her skin colour and launched a shocking tirade of abuse against her.

Just to say: I am aware that it seems like I'm trying to weigh it in her favour. I'm not. I think both incidents of racism are horrible (for different reasons) and I hope the police see the full picture, rather than just judging everything on one comment.

thornrose

He "crossed a line" well before she did, I don't say this to excuse or justify her behaviour but he was aggressive, sexist and abusive before she even said anything other than "move" (paraphrased).

Frankly he clearly has an issue with women.

I thought she was horrendous but I didnt realise it was the bloke who brought the race factor into things because I couldnt hear the tape that well.

I'm not sure he'd have been the same with a black woman though - the entire basis of his abusive tirade would have vanished. Of course, he may have switched to another angle of attack. Are you saying I'm a rapist? Why would I want touch you, you're ugly. etc.