to be getting more and more annoyed by the attitude that kids can be planned

[stitch10yearson]

Because if you dtd, then there is always a risk of pregnancy. condoms are only 98% effective, the pill and the coil 97%. This means basically that if you do the deed, then the only way of ensuring that you don't have a baby is terminating it.

And breathe.

IMO, NOT having kids is a lifestyle choice, not the other way around. If a man doesn't want kids, then he needs to always always wear a condom, even if she ison the pill and has a coil in, or have the snip. and probably still wear a condom. Or only have sex with someone who is post menopausal.

I don't need any consolation, goodbye, like any specification, I don't choose what to teach, I am told what to teach, and in this case what I teach is the official material provided for contraceptive education by the NHS.

No one's opinion on it is in any way relevant to me, I teach what is in the spec, of course I know perfectly well what I am teaching is often oversimplified, or not 100% agreed on in the scientific community, or slightly outdated, non of that is relevant for teaching, you teach what is in the spec, full stop. That is all there is to it. So, for example, I teach there are 9 forms of energy, because in the GCSE spec, there is. Your or my opinion on that statement, or any other statement in the material we are given to teach has nothing to do with it.

Your perspective is totally unrealistic, if you think teacher opinion matters, or should matter, or teachers care, or should care, about any of this.

The NHS actually gives you material to teach saying that the coil causes abortions? I'd be very interested to see this "material". Unless what it actually says is "prevents conception by and may possibly prevent fertilized eggs from implanting" and you have interpreted this for your class as "it's an abortifacient".

I very much doubt that the nhs info you have been given uses the word abortion and that you are assigning the word to it yourself.

Hijk the nhs wouldn't tell you it's an abortifacient and your lying about it because a woman is not considered to be pregnant either medically or scientifically until implantation has occurred. You are not technically pregnant according to medicine and science until the egg has implanted therefore the coil can't be an abortifacient surely as a science teacher you know that

the material we use if official, your opinion couldn't matter less.

Bullshit. I've seen the nhs literature on IUD's and it doesn't say what you state it does. You are either outright lying or you have totally misunderstood what you have read and are teaching your misconceptions. Or slanting it to your own agenda.
So lying, can't understand the material, or twisting for own agenda. None of them very good options for a teacher.

FWIW - the egg becomes fertilised in the fallopian tube (hence why blocked fallopian tubes result in ectopic pregnancies) - the coil makes the lining of the womb unfavourable for implantation. In the strict sense of the word, the coil 'does' act as an abortifactant as it prevents a foetus (well a ball of cells) from implanting and thus a foetus developing - this is how it is viewed by the catholic church. For the rest of us, we don't see this as an abortion, though in the strictest sense it is.

No coil, other than those impregnated with hormone; such as the mirena, can affect the ovary, or alter the hormonal state - anyone who has been told this has been misinformed.

It's not my opinion it's a fact that your not pregnant until implantation occurs it's your opinion if you say otherwise

The very action of the coil means that if you have left it too late to take the morning after pill (another concentious subject on the types and their actions), you can have the coil fitted up to two weeks after ovulation to prevent a fertilised egg implanting.

No AuntieDee, you're forgetting that the copper coil prevents the sperm fertilising the egg. Copper is toxic to sperm, and makes the fallopian tubes and uterus produce a fluid (containing copper ions, prostaglandins and various enzymes) that kill sperm before it can fertilise an egg.

Nobody said it effected the ovary, but you are misrepresenting the action of the coil. The secondary use you mention, to prevent implantation, is very secondary. And that still does not, in any sense of the word, equate to an abortion, since an unimplanted fertilised egg is not a pregnancy and can not be aborted.

The whole point of the copper in the coil is that the ions it releases are toxic to anything in the woman's reproductive tract. Why else do you think it's there?

It is toxic to sperm, and the egg an therefore (in normal prophylactic use) prevents conception before the gametes even meet.

Are you suggesting that the Cu2+ ions hold back until sperm and egg meet, then are selectively launched to 'zap' the zygote once it is formed?

And you say that you teach?

See here for more info www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception-guide/pages/iud-coil.aspx

The IUD should be fitted within 5 Days (not 2 weeks) for emergency contraception

The copper coil/IUD is more than 99% effective. NHS site here: www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception-guide/pages/iud-coil.aspx

Life isn't often as simple for some people as: don't want baby= use contraception, do want baby = don't use contraception.

For a start some contraceptions require both parties to be in agreement. There are so many men who refuse to use condoms, even when they know the woman isn't on the pill/can't take it for various reasons.

I knew of a case where a woman had had multiple abortions in her 20s, all with the one partner who refused to use a condom and insisted in regular piv sex even though he knew her doctor had said she couldnt take hormonal contraception. I very much doubt if this is an isolated case.

Then you get the woman with 'chaotic' lifestyles who don't have access to regular healthcare to provide repeat pill prescriptions or depo pro era on time. Not to mention that taking a pill at the same time every day can be quite a challenge for a lot of women.

You don't have to read very far into the relationship boards on here to see how common disagreements about contraception are between couples.

'The IUD should be fitted within 5 Days (not 2 weeks) for emergency contraception'

5 days of intercourse agree. I said it can be effective 14 days from ovulation - this the same thing effectively.

'And that still does not, in any sense of the word, equate to an abortion, since an unimplanted fertilised egg is not a pregnancy and can not be aborted.'

There are many people around the world who would disagree with this definition.

Well, maybe they wouldn't be comfortable using the IUD (or any other form of contraception), and no-one is telling them that they should.

99.5% doesn't mean it never happens.

I'm so confused by what the OP's argument is. Are you arguing for abstinence?

I've deliberately got pregnant 6 times, 4 DC, pre DC we used the pill, during breastfeeding condoms and now we have decided no more children DP has had a vasectomy and I am on the mini pill.

I believe you really can plan your children if you are determined enough, there are however many happy accidents out there.

The copper coil/IUD is more than 99% effective

I think most of the pregnancies that happen on the IUD is when it has fallen out of place a bit, if that makes sense. Mine was in perfect position. And I believe I took the pill perfectly as well. I took it the same time every day and always used condoms for over a week if I had a stomach bug and used condom for the recommended time when on antibiotics.

So far the V is working!