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To ask- If your child isn't bullied or harassed at school-

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Tangerineandturquoise · 15/02/2015 11:37

What do you think it is that shields them from such behaviour?
Be it bullying or harassment some children seem to escape and others to be caught up in it. Are there reasons or is it luck?

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Hurr1cane · 15/02/2015 16:08

No. It's not either bully or be bullied.

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/02/2015 16:10

I've often wondered that about dd2 NiceBitOfCheese, she is very rambunctious and outspoken and as I said is prone to violent outbursts if she feels she's been backed into a corner or pushed far enough.

I've spoken to her many times about never hitting out first and how much words can hurt and how lonely it feels to be excluded.

When I've spoken to the teachers about her social life at school they've told me she is "class mother" she is very emotionally mature for her age and has a strong sense of fairness and is always the first to make an effort if she sees someone on their own. They are aware of her temper but tell me it mainly only comes into play when she sees others being bullied or hit, though it has gotten her into trouble at times, she's never been the one who has started it and has never been thought of as a bully. She just needs to learn that threatening to stamp on someone's toes because they called your friend snotty is perhaps not the best way of dealing with conflict.

Dd1 admitted being a bully to me in the past, I made her write a letter of apology to the victim, who now worships her, much to her dismay, although she's never since bullied him, nor is she keen on being his friend or saviour. She will tell the teachers if she sees him being bullied and will reply politely when he talks to her.

I spoke to one of dd1's bullies mothers, who was totally unaware of the situation and was shocked and ashamed and couldn't apologise enough. She had thought that they were still good friends and had no idea they'd fallen out, much less that her child was harassing dd1 both online and at school. Sadly after she spoke to her child she claimed it was all a misunderstanding and that dd1 had exaggerated things. I wanted to forward her some of the bile that her child had been sending mine, but dd1 begged me not to.

Ohmygrood · 15/02/2015 16:15

'If your child is not subjected to bullying or harassment, could it be that they are doing the bullying and harassing to others?'

of course not

momieplum · 15/02/2015 16:19

Was looking for answers to this sort of question a few weeks ago for dc and found this which was really helpful and quite uplifting - I can't do links sorry but you can copy and paste:

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/02/2015 16:24

I'd also say that two of the girls involved in bullying dd1 are from stereotypical naice families. They get on well at school, both have two parents who both work, are always nicely turned out etc. They are good "middle class" kids, from good, respectable families.

I was shocked that they were involved and I could see the things they were sending to dd1, so I very much doubt that their parents would believe for one second that their child could ever be involved in bullying.

I don't think anyone should ever say for certain that their child would never bully. Children from all walks of life can be bullies if the circumstances are right.

Dawndonnaagain · 15/02/2015 16:26

I think parents play a part.
Not in most cases.

EvilTwins · 15/02/2015 16:27

As a teacher, I would say that it's partly luck, partly the policy the school has, and also perhaps the size of the school. I teach in a small secondary and we don't have much bullying - we have a pretty robust system for dealing with it, and also, because we're small, there's nowhere to hide, IYSWIM. However, it does seem that some children are not exactly prone to it but do have issues - we've had a handful over the years whose parents have moved them from one school to another because of bullying and within weeks of starting with us, they are complaining of being bullied again. I'm not saying for a minute that some children attract it, but I do think that parents need to play a part in helping their children deal with others. For example, I teach a yr 9 child at the moment who was moved to us because he was bullied at his previous school. He gets cross with kids who don't let him take charge in lessons (I see this in group work) and then he complains that they are bullying him - when actually they're just disagreeing with his opinions. He then goes home and complains that he's being bullied and then his mum calls in etc etc There is certainly no bullying going on in the way that he claims and I think his parents are feeling it. I'm quite sure I'll get flamed for that, but I was picked on at school by another girl and the best thing my mum did was give me the means to deal with it myself (we practised what I would say to her, and mum helped me to build my confidence) Once I told her to get lost, she did.

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/02/2015 16:44

Can I ask the teachers on here if their school has any policy guarding against bullying on social media?

When I've told dd1's school about the online side of things they've been less than interested and told me over and over again that they cannot address the things that are taking place outside of school i.e the knocking on our door and running off/hanging around places they know dd1 usually is just so they can snigger at her and/or throw things at her and the harassment on social media, nor did they stop these girls from following dd1 home from school although they did agree to let dd1 out first so she has time to get to me and dd2 in the lower school before the bullies get out and eventually agreed to do a general class talk about online bullying.

They would only talk to the girls involved about what was going on inside of school. They wouldn't even read the messages they'd sent dd1 out of school. Children are not stupid, of course this only meant that they toned things down inside of school and stepped things up outside of school.

It all just seemed counter intuitive to me and a bit weak. This is why now it's started again I've mentioned going straight to the police if it's not nipped in the bud quickly.

EvilTwins · 15/02/2015 16:49

At my school, if anything happens on social media, it's taken very seriously and if necessary the police are involved. By "if necessary", I mean repeat offenses (ie more than once) or if the student in question refuses to delete posts.

Last year, a parent posted about me on social media and the HT had no hesitation in involving the police.

Our local force comes in every September and does assemblies about it too.

kawliga · 15/02/2015 16:55

the best thing my mum did was give me the means to deal with it myself

This. And it is hard for many parents who see their dc being bullied because they want to swoop in and sort it out themselves. Also, it is hard to help the child deal with it herself because children often don't express fully what is going on and what they'd like to do about it. Or they don't explain it quickly enough, so the temptation for parents to go into school and sort it out immediately with teachers is very high.

Parents doing nothing at all is also bad. Sad Better to swoop in and do the wrong thing than to sit back and do nothing at all.

youbethemummylion · 15/02/2015 17:02

I think it is a combination of a lot of things my boys go yo a small school 1 class per year about 20-25 per class. A lot of siblings so all the kids know each other or know who is whose little brother etc so they are a tight knit bunch. Also school is very proactively anti bullying. In my kids case they are both happy in their own skin and live in dream land most of the time so probably wouldn't notice the low level ignoring/excluding stuff.

D0oinMeCleanin · 15/02/2015 17:07

That's interesting Twins, when I've questioned it, the school have always told me it is LEA policy not to get involved with things outside of the school as that is a parental matter and not a school matter.

ahbollocks · 15/02/2015 17:09

a school that is very hard on bullying (exclusions and suspensions), lots of staff in play ground and having the confidence to stand up for themselves

BoozeyTuesday · 15/02/2015 17:11

Ds is very good at football which definitely earns him respect from his peers (and older boys) and makes things a lot easier socially as he has common ground with a lot of other boys.

rookiemere · 15/02/2015 17:19

Interesting question. There is a bit of unpleasantness going on in DS's class at the minute ( at the age of 8 Shock) and thankfully DS and his circle of friends are not involved at all.

I wish I could say that it was down to my super parenting techniques but I'm not altogether sure it is. Eviltwins post is interesting as I've met both sets of mums involved and both claim that their child is the one being bullied. I know that one of the DCs that appears to be causing problems is very unhappy at home, for various reasons that I don't want to go into here.

DS basically likes a fuss free life ( like his Mum Wink) so I think he tends to walk away at the first sign of trouble. Also he has a group of close knit friends and they tend to close ranks if anything goes on. It appears to be the boys that have less strong friendship groups that are involved. As DS is an only I do lots of playdates and have boys round loads of times, so maybe that helps - I honestly don't know.

myotherusernameisbetter · 15/02/2015 17:22

I've had one badly bullied the other not. Bullied child was quietly confident till little shit started on him and he ended up unable to speak to people and others then jumped on the bandwagon so it became a vicious circle really :(

Not bullied child is mouthier but was probably less confident initially - he didn't have the shit head in his class (though actually the little shit that started it with his elder brother, technically should have been in his class).

Both boys are big, tall, did Judo etc. Eldest has had no issues at High school (now away from his class at primary) and younger son now 13 hangs about with the geeky boys although he is nearly 6 foot tall and strong built and doesn't look like the geek he is - he had a mouthy smart arse from the year below come up towards him and the geeks with his posse - DS2 just stood up, squared them off and raised one eyebrow and said "really!??" posse and smart arse just sloped away again. He knows not to use his size to intimidate people for the sake of it.

IsabellaofFrance · 15/02/2015 17:25

Ds1 has been a victim of bullying on and off for the three years of secondary school. He is quite awkward socially and for a while we considered HE because it got so bad. However as he has matured he seems to have calmed down and has made friends he can spend time with.

DD is only 6 and no issues so far. She is confident and happy not to follow the crowd. I really hope this continues.

weaselwords · 15/02/2015 17:25

The right school that they fit in at and deals with bullying properly. My eldest had a lot of trouble until he moved to a school that was right for him. Never looked back.

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wingsandstrings · 15/02/2015 19:49
  1. Confidence and social skills on the part of the children.
  2. Teachers who are hugely on the ball.
  3. And a small smidgen of luck.
My son recently mentioned that some boy had invited him over to his house for the first time, I said 'what, wasn't that the boy who punched you last year?' (not bullying, a one-off incident from a notoriously rough boy who hit a lot of people). My DS said 'yes, I decided to make him like me, I was really funny and made him laugh. He really likes me now.' He has the confidence to think 'I'll win this guy over, I know how to do it.'
Meechimoo · 15/02/2015 19:58

My eldest is very shy and very sensitive and I've moved her because of bullying. Several years on I suspect this was more down to her sensitivity and shyness and lack of confidence in telling people to stop it and get lost. My 12 year old is the opposite. She's a gregarious extrovert and really doesn't give two hoots what anyone thinks of her. She says it's "all just banter" and laughs when kids are mean to her. She's very confident about standing up for herself. I haven't taught this. She was born that way. I think parents can help show sensitive kids and less confident kids, like my eldest, how to bat the bullies away (not literally) but they also have a duty to help them solve problems they can't sort out themselves, to a degree. To leave them to fend totally for themselves and not intervene when someone needs assistance or backup is like victim blaming.

Tangerineandturquoise · 15/02/2015 20:02

I think confidence is an issue, or the issue, he isn't a wallflower or unsociable, he's always clean and trendy, great at sport, but I think there is an air of he won't fight back to him. He doesn't have the problem elsewhere, outside activities he loves as all the children are so normal.

At school-he's the one who's shoved down steps, and hit or kicked or lashed out at, he's the one invariably pushed out of line and then turned on if he stumbles into someone, he wont play the big playground games to avoid one or two children he knows will end up hurting him-and they do whether he avoids them or not.
I'm not sure it's bullying - just the children with the behavioural issues turn on him, not as a group but as individuals. I do think it has become the norm and he's the class figure to lash out to, or be rude to.
Friendship groups are a part of it- when it started last year he just made friends with kids in the year above, which was lovely of them, but the teacher wouldn't listen when I said it would end up being a problem as they moved on to middle school and now he has no one. I've tried playdates- and parties and they work well and are reciprocated but somehow the support network never quite happens at school.

It doesn't seem to happen to other children - although the school says it does, I've never heard parents mention it, It isn't the other children coming out bruised and bloodied.

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Tangerineandturquoise · 15/02/2015 20:08

When I say wont fight back- I do see him stand up for himself in some environments just not school.
I think having a negative teacher last year set him back with school and it is hard to move him forwards from that.

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notquiteruralbliss · 15/02/2015 20:10

Mine go to a school where bullying isn't tolerated, by the pupils as much as by the teachers. One did previously go to a school where bullying was rife, but she never had any bother, esp after decking a boy who punched one of her (male) friends.

Stillwishihadabs · 15/02/2015 20:12

Ds was picked on by the "king pin" for a bit last year. We talked about what was going on in that lad's life, how he might be feeling, why that was coming out in that way. We then discussed strategies for dealing with his behaviour (which incidentally absolutely didn't involve going to the teacher). It took a few weeks but the behaviour did stop. I hope.that we have equipped ds to deal with similar situations in the future.

I feel this a better outcome than either
a)Involving the teacher
or
b)Moving schools.
Dcs who have these skills.are.less likely to be bullied.

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