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To be scared of death?

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dragdownthemoon · 14/02/2015 02:11

I am terrified of what happens after death. I have nightmares about it, I have panic attacks when I think about it. I don't want to be a ghost cursed to wander the earth alone or trapped in a hell dimension, or just all alone in the dark. No one knows what happens when we die and I am terrified of what will happen. I tried to talk to DH about it, he actually laughed at me and says he has no concept of why on earth I could be bothered by this.

Does anyone else get freaked out by the thought of what happens when we die? I am tormented by it and there is no escape, death is coming to us all

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marthasmith · 18/02/2015 18:29

But you appear to interpret it in a way to fit in with your well thought out theory that there isn't a God. Would that not also be "cherry picking" as bigbluestars said.

JugglingFromHereToThere · 18/02/2015 18:31

You could say "he" is clever though headinhands - not sure I could create a Universe out of nothing, and various forms of life on at least one of the planets - not in a week anyway Wink

Have probably confused everyone with that slightly random post, but think headinhands will know where I'm coming from? Possibly. If I even do myself Smile

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 18:41

We know that the universe was created or "started" because it is still growing. If it had started by itself from a Big Bang the odds are so high to have the sun in the exact position it is to sustain life as to be impossible. A good comparison is something I once read. It's like a tornado swooping through a scrap yard and assembling jumbo jet.

headinhands · 18/02/2015 18:42

martha what god do you believe in?

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 18:44

I get accused of ignoring things I don't want to believe, will you be ignoring what I have just written.

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 18:45

There's only one God headinhands

JugglingFromHereToThere · 18/02/2015 18:49

There is a lot to be in awe of in the universe I agree martha however personally I think it's even more amazing to think there could have been a lot of randomness involved - as in the theory of evolution

Davsmum · 18/02/2015 18:51

You said it yourself, Martha The bible was written by men. It's not a case of being infallible. It could all be lies. You don't know the men who wrote it so have no idea of their intention.
Why could they not write it in a way that was easily understood? Do you believe what journalists write in the papers? Why do you believe what someone wrote thousands of years ago?

headinhands · 18/02/2015 18:56

A good comparison is something I once read. It's like a tornado swooping through a scrap yard and assembling jumbo jet.

but we know from the fossil record that we evolved from lower life forms. And the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and humans only entered the stage about 200,000 years ago. If you condensed Earth's history into 24 hours, humans wouldn't exist until 11:58:43 pm so it has been an unimaginably slow process with many species dying out along the way.

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 18:56

The mathematical perfection of the positioning of the earth, sun and moon could never be described as random.

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 18:58

But that doesn't discount that God created the universe and what we have evolved from.

headinhands · 18/02/2015 19:00

There's only one God

I appreciate that's how you feel along with most other theists but what I mean is what particular flavour of god, by what religion do you get to him?

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 19:03

I'm Roman Catholic. What are you?

Davsmum · 18/02/2015 19:05

I think scientists would confirm it can happen, Martha. The positioning of the planet's fell into being as a result of the big bang. They won't stay that way forever. In the universe millions of years is not the same as we relate to it. In fact, time does not exist. Apparently all time runs concurrently. We just don't have the capacity to understand that.

headinhands · 18/02/2015 19:07

that doesn't discount that God created the universe

It's not about discounting, it's about looking at what we can see. The processes that have brought us to where we are today do not require anything supernatural, why would we introduce an element there is no evidence for. Have you gone to the trouble of discounting all the other creation stories that man has ever devised? See, it makes more logical sense to start with a clean slate and build on that rather than the position of plumping for the religion that happens to be dominate in your society at the time you are alive and then working hard to get it to fit into the ever shrinking gaps.

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 19:11

Of course it can happen Davsmum but scientists have worked out the odds of it happening are at less than 1 chance in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion. Most people would describe that as next to impossible.

headinhands · 18/02/2015 19:14

fit in with your well thought out theory that there isn't a God

You're RC right, how do you know the other gods of the other religions aren't the true god? It makes more sense, to me anyway, to require evidence before I believe in a god, so far all the religions have the same amount of evidence for their god, which is none. How could a wise and loving god blame me for holding off believing in something without good cause. The reasons you believe your god are the reasons the believers in other religions believe in their god. You have no logical way of surmising that they are in error, and likewise.

My theory isn't that there isn't a god, it's that the gods that men claim to exist have no evidence for them. I think if there is a god he is not moved by human suffering and much less wants to have a relationship with us.

bigbluestars · 18/02/2015 19:14

martha- you just made that number up.

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 19:17

Headinhands.... You put a good argument up and people who are wavering in their belief might easily be swayed by you. It's a pity that you don't believe because I'm sure you'd be able to convert a few. No matter what you say I won't be swayed so I suppose we'll just have to leave it there.

headinhands · 18/02/2015 19:18

next to impossible

but we have evidence of it so as remote as the chance was that is what happened. We have no evidence for anything supernatural let alone attributal to your own god. Wouldn't it make more sense to say 'there is no reason to assume it was a supernatural deity until I see some evidence, so far it looks like it was all natural physical laws'.

marthasmith · 18/02/2015 19:19

I promise you I didn't Bigblue.

headinhands · 18/02/2015 19:23

You put a good argument up and people who are wavering in their belief might easily be swayed by you

Why thank you :) It is just logic though, nothing fancy!

JugglingFromHereToThere · 18/02/2015 19:23

That's partly because it is a good argument martha
But yes, I've appreciated reading headinhands posts too

bigbluestars · 18/02/2015 19:33

That is because headinhands speaks sense. We have no evidence for god so we assume he doesn't exist.

headinhands · 18/02/2015 19:53

shucks you guys! I do thoroughly enjoy a good banter with all of you, hardly seem to have time these days. Bloody love half term! Wasted so much time this week, even started playing Hay Day again.

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