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To ask about never working again ...

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betweenmarchandmay · 21/01/2015 16:18

I worked from being 22 to 28 (teacher.)

I was posting on the thread about being a SAHM and it occurred to me I can't really see a future where I'd work again.

Has anyone else spent most or all of their adult life not working?

Just wondering. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

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fancyanotherfez · 24/01/2015 17:54

Yes but what would you say if your dh said he didn't want to work again? Would you say 'fine, I'd better get a better paid job'? As a mother of 2 boys, im not sure I'd be happy with them being expected to work and work to support a family and maybe not see their children for most of the week. Why is it only the mothers who expect to be supported by another adult never to work again?

HelloItsStillMeFell · 24/01/2015 18:02

Yep, me. I gave up work just before I was 27 to have DS1 and I'm 48 now.

I worked part time 1.5 days a week for about eighteen months when DS1 was about 6 and DS2 was 4 but then I got PG again and I've never worked since. My DCs are now aged 22 to 15. I love not working. I have a full and busy life. I don't want to work and I don't need to work. I have loads of time to do much more fun stuff with no hassles and no commitments or pulls on my time.

FlowerFairy2014 · 24/01/2015 18:22

fancy, quite. I expect a lot of the husbands would love to give up work for life too but they are not all being given the choice.

SnowWhiteAteTheApple · 24/01/2015 18:36

Fancy, exactly. I can't imagine many SAHMs being thrilled that their DH had decided he never wanted to work again.

All we can do is try and change things for our own children. I have always worked and installed in DS that women should work. I don't want him to have limited choices due to his partner believing she doesnt have to work.

ilovesooty · 24/01/2015 18:40

I don't want to work and I don't need to work
Is your partner happy with that, as you're certainly approaching a time when you're not a sahm any more?

Sianilaa · 24/01/2015 18:43

How is it fair, when your children have grown up and left home, to sit back and expect your DH to provide for you? Do they ever get the choice to give up work and never work again? How would you feel if he asked it to be the other way around?

I was like the OP. I worked full time as a teacher from when I left Uni. Even went back full time after DS1. Went back part time after DS2. Was miserable, so luckily DH was earning enough for me to become a SAHM. They're at school full time now and I loved my time as a SAHM. DH has even said I never need to work again. I have considersed it! But actually, now they don't need me as much, what is there to do all day? I do plenty of volunteering - school governor, vice chair of PTA, etc. I thought I'd not want to go back to work again.

But my kids have both been at school full time for 2/3 years and I'm bored. So recently went back and got a new full time job (not teaching). And I surprised myself by loving it. I love using my brain. I love being a part of a team and feeling like I'm contributing both at work and at home. I'm loving the fact I'm getting paid into my own account, it's my own money, I'm not financially dependent any more. My self confidence and esteem have gone up (didn't Realise they were particularly low tbh).

You don't have to decide now and circumstances change. Don't rule it out. Plus a change of career might be just the thing.

HelloItsStillMeFell · 24/01/2015 19:02

Yes ilove he's very happy with it. It means that lots of the tedious crap that he would otherwise have to share with me and cram into precious weekend time is taken care of my me while he is working. He loves his job and is in no hurry to retire and he likes the fact that he has rarely or never had to fit his work schedule around mine.

If a plumber needs to come there is always someone there to deal with it -me. Dinner gets prepped earlier in the day by me, instead of having two tired, irritable people banging around in the kitchen until 9pm arguing over whose turn it is to cook. He's never had to rush home early to get to parent teacher consultations, or take time off because the kids are sick, or because they need to go to the dentist. He's never had to come in from work and immediately take the dogs out because they've been shut in all day. I've always been there to do all that stuff. I think people underestimate how much difference those small things can make to your quality of life. It works for us and I'm not remotely bothered by what anyone else thinks about it.

morethanpotatoprints · 24/01/2015 19:09

I think as long as the family or the oh is fine with this, you have talked it through there is no problem.
But forever is a long time and people can change their mind.

I think all this setting a good example by working yourself is fine, but I've rarely heard of a woman deciding to do something just because her mum did.
Even at 11 my dd has no intention of being a sahm like me and our ds both work ft and have paid themselves, been self sufficient since 16.
They have a good work ethic as they have always worked in some form or another.
We have taught them if somebody is washing up, you get a tea towel, or you tidy the kitchen. All hands on deck get the job done quicker.

betweenmarchandmay · 24/01/2015 19:12

The main thing is that everyone is happy with the arrangement I would have thought.

I'm sure my daughter will either marry a rich man or have a good work ethic. By the way - just because I don't work doesn't mean I have a 'bad' work ethic.

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ilovesooty · 24/01/2015 19:17

I can see what you're saying Hello but surely a lot if that activity is redundant once the children have grown up?
I do think it's a shame that he's never seen the need to attend his children's parent teacher consultations.
Still the other stuff obviously works for you both if he loves his job, paid work doesn't appeal to you and you can afford your choices.

SnowWhiteAteTheApple · 24/01/2015 19:28

Ilovesooty, I wonder if the children look back and think their dad wasn't interested on their school life etc. I can't imagine sending DH out to work all hours and him never being part of DS's life.

Despite us both working we never end up cooking dinner at 9pm or not being able to do medical appointments or tradesman work. Its not hard.

didireallysaythat · 24/01/2015 19:31

I guess it depends on how you feel about partnerships. DH and I are partners. We both work to bring in the money to ferx and clothe our two kids. We both cook, clean, go to school things, dentists, look after sick kids etc. I consider it an equal partnership. And that's what I married into to. I'd be peeved if DH decided to stop working (we could live on my salary alone without childcare costs). If the salaries were the other way around I'd still choose to work. I was bored on my 3 month's maternity leaves. I honestly can't imagine not contributing to my company, society, whatever by not working. But work doesn't have to be a salaried job. I'm considering asking work to drop to 4 days to work at a centre one day a week but I suspect they won't be crazy about the idea ..

betweenmarchandmay · 24/01/2015 19:40

Just because I don't contribute through paid work doesn't mean I don't contribute at all.

All our animals are rescue animals who had frankly shit lives before I helped them. Maybe you don't think that counts but I'm an animal lover and think our five chickens who used to be battery hens, two elderly cats who'd been pining eighteen months in a rescue centre, three horses who were going to go for meat and even the sheep (same) might think I contribute.

Likewise I am raising two children. Yes DS is at primary school but oh know I was a latchkey kid and hated it. I was lonely and left on my own too much. Then my daughter is very young still - she isn't 1 until April.

I own two properties I rent out and it's below market rate as I like and trust the families I have in them. They think I contribute - without me they'd be paying more for less 'nice' homes. I didn't ask for a deposit or for moving fees or any other crap. I help as soon as there's an issue.
I think they might agree I contribute.

Then I contribute here. Yes my marriage has issues - what marriage doesn't? I have learned to cool healthy meals; to teach my son the piano and the violin; to grow fresh veg in the garden and flower beautiful plants.

Okay - I could go our and teach teenagers. But I don't want to. I would if I had to but I don't so I choose not to.

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fatherpeeweestairmaster · 24/01/2015 19:42

Most working people don't decide on their jobs with a sudden flash of 'I MUST be a European sales team support manager for a telecommunications provider or I will DIE!' inspiration. Unless you've got a genuine vocation, the usual pattern (isn't it?) is to apply for jobs that you're qualified for, because you need money to pay the bills, and then, through time and experience, you grow to enjoy your expertise in the role, the interaction with colleagues, challenges, and so on. Ideally. A lot of people don't enjoy their jobs at all, but have to keep going in, because they need the money. And they end up doing interesting things because one job led to another opening which led to something totally different... it's forward motion, more than planning. I have a job now that I absolutely love, but it's nothing I'd ever have been guided towards by a careers service, and if I hadn't done the two largely unrelated jobs before it, I'd probably never even have known it existed.

Whereas you don't need the money, so you don't have that impetus to prod you into the workplace towards a job that you might find interesting once you got going in it. But to be honest, it sounds as if the PND is making you feel pretty flat about everything anyway: tackling that is a much more important issue.

Stealthpolarbear · 24/01/2015 19:44

'I MUST be a European sales team support manager for a telecommunications provider or I will DIE!'

:o

betweenmarchandmay · 24/01/2015 19:46

I do often feel very flat and lacklustre but that's just the tablets.

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Ifyoubuildittheywillcome · 24/01/2015 21:45

My apologies Sooty, I was rude, no more after midnight posting for me when I am tired and emotional. Blush
OP hope you see that what really matters is, regardless of what you do, that it's your decision and not anyone else's.

ilovesooty · 24/01/2015 21:56

Ifyoubuildittheywillcome
No problem. Flowers

HelloItsStillMeFell · 25/01/2015 05:52

I do think it's a shame that he's never seen the need to attend his children's parent teacher consultations.

I didn't say he's never attends, I said he doesn't need to worry about rushing home early. Sometimes he attends, mostly he doesn't. Whenever we've had any particular concerns and felt that a show of solidarity was necessary then he has attended. But if he'd had a busy week or a last minute late meeting (which was often) he was never torn about what to do. Life just wasn't complicated for us like that. Those things were taken care of by me and he didn't need to split himself every which way. These days his schedule is less hectic but it really doesn't need two of us to sit there and hear the same thing from the teacher. I can listen/speak and relay the important bits of the conversation perfectly efficiently. That should not be construed as my DH not caring about DS's schooling.

I was a latchkey kid and hated it.

So was I, and so did I. I was the child who could never do anything/go anywhere because my mum was at work and my mum was never present for anything (sports days etc) because she was always at work, and rarely took me anywhere (outings at weekends, EC clubs etc) because she was always too tired from work. My Dad was not in the picture. My memories of my childhood were of childminders (some of whom were not very nice at all) my DSis and I being left on our own a lot with a box of crisps and the telly for company, being expected to care for my younger sister while I was still quite young myself, my mum sleeping half the day at weekends because she was knackered, and being left to our own devices if we were ill or it was the school holidays.

We've never had the financial need for us to both work, (I am lucky and I know it) so I wanted it to be different (better) for my DCs, and easier for me and DH to make sure the children's needs were always our priority.

I would HATE having to scrabble around constantly finding friends and relatives to palm them off onto when something unexpected happens like a teacher strike, or a late meeting. I have had many of the DCs friends here over the years because their parents have got into a muddle with work and childcare, and frankly (while I'm always happy to help in a genuine emergency) some of them have just cynically exploited the fact that I am always at home, they're only ever interested in me when they need me to look after their child and never invite my child back because they can't be bothered with playdates and sleepovers when they work full time. It's so transparent and one sided it really pisses me off. I made my choice, their choice is not my problem.

I consider it an equal partnership.

So do I. So does he. We just have very different roles and responsibilities within our partnership, that's all. One is not necessarily superior to the other. His having a demanding career has had upsides and downsides for him, as has my choice to be a SAHM for me. But overall it's all worked very well for the family as a whole.

I can't imagine sending DH out to work all hours…

Is it better that both parents are out 'all hours' in the interests of 'fairness' then? Confused

If you both have the kind of job where you work in fairly straightforward and undemanding roles where you can always leave bang on time, and you work fairly locally then I guess it works out fine to both be working. But in my case my DH always had a very demanding and unpredictable job involving a long commute, frequent short notice business travel etc., and you can't both have that, at least not without it impacting significantly on your (and your children's) quality of life. There are choices to be made and we made ours. If you are happy with your choice and it works for you then that's fine too.

Given that I was only ever going to earn a fraction of what he did, what would be the point in complicating our lives and adding another layer of stress by me fannying about in some minor hobby job just to keep me off the streets and make me feel better about 'contributing to society', if it meant I had to ferry children to childminders before school or pay a nanny and pay someone to walk the dogs, and constantly ship them off to holiday clubs that they really didn't want to go to? Confused

Who really enjoys having to cram so much into their weekend time when they'd rather be relaxing and having fun? Who really enjoys dragging their children around the supermarket during evenings and weekends? Who really enjoys ironing school uniform at 10pm when they are knackered? Who really enjoys having to drag their children out of bed really early to get them to the childminder, eating a bowl of dry cereal on the lap in the car? Who really enjoys having to suck up to acquaintances (who know exactly what you are doing by the way) when your childcare falls through and you need a favour?

I can't imagine….him never being part of DS's life.

DH has always been a huge part of the DC's life. It was him that took DS2 to Sunday league football every weekend for ten years for example. He got on the train and went to London and came back each night. He didn't get into a space rocket and go to the moon for a year at a time. Hmm

These days he works closer to home and has a much shorter day but the kids are older now and never at home anyway! My kids would laugh at the idea that him going to work full time while their I stayed at home meant he was not a part of their life. That's a 1950's cliche and nothing could be further from the truth.

I hear working women whinging constantly on here about how tough it is to fulfil all their obligations and how tired and frazzled they are. I've had many a frazzled moment as a SAHM obviously, but that feeling of being pulled in every direction, spinning plates and always having to compromise on something just hasn't ever happened to me in the same way, and I'm eternally grateful for that.

The price I've paid for being at home all these years is that I am now not especially employable unless I want to go and do minimum wage, uninspiring stuff, which I don't. And why should I, if I don't need to?

DH doesn't resent it in the least - he knows exactly how hard I worked when the children were younger - I've done my time. I've overseen the major renovation of two houses, dealt with the research for going into Buy To Let, (which has made us a pretty penny that I consider to be my contribution to our income, because without me driving it, it would not have happened at all) I've walked the dogs PROPERLY, run the home, fed us all well on home cooked food, I've done a school run that totalled 40 miles a day, I've twiddled my thumbs at endless week night football training sessions and drama clubs for years on end, and I've taken lots of crap off his plate over the years which has made it easier for him to give 100% at work. I don't feel like a sponger in the least.

Yarp · 25/01/2015 06:03

Good post Hello

SlicedAndDiced · 25/01/2015 06:51

Op I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this but are you sure you can rely on the independent wealth?

If your dh deals with all financial matters and as you admit you don't have much of a head for them etc...

It's just I know of a woman who actually discovered all of her independent wealth had gone when her hd actually decided to tell her they were divorcing. And he'd done a pretty airtight job of spending, redistributing and sharing her 'independent' wealth if you know what I mean?

I'm just saying take care of yourself and maybe get just a little bit more involved with the finances, just so you know what's what. Whether you work or not is your own choice.

Having said that well done, I couldn't do it Grin I've taken a few years off to be with dd but I'm doing a law degree and having apop at writing children's books in the mean time. I'd gotten so bored after two months I was memorising appliance manuals for fun and getting some wampy projects started. (Funnily enough just been referred for diagnosis of high functioning autism)

Really looking forward to DH becoming a stay at home dad in a few years when we swap over. I hate house work, it makes me want to kill myself. I barely do it now and it's supposed to be my turn Wink

ilovesooty · 25/01/2015 08:52

Hello if you did all that input into sorting out but to let that is work in its own right anyway.
As you acknowledge though most are not in a position where not only does the husband earn a high salary but two buy to let properties can be afforded on top of that. That means many don't have quite the same choices to make.
No in your position I wouldn't seek low paid employment if that is all you'd be qualified to do.
However going back to the buy to let - you are obviously fully involved in and aware of your family finances. No one has controlled you, refused to allow you to make your own choices, eroded your self esteem and made you passively accepting.
That means that you are in a healthy place. Not all sahms are.

HelloItsStillMeFell · 25/01/2015 08:54

I agree sooty.

kim147 · 25/01/2015 09:05

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SlicedAndDiced · 25/01/2015 09:09

True Kim Dh is very much looking forward to it Grin

However he has said when dd (and hopefully by then more children!) start at school he will take the chance to do some college courses/ degree in something he has always wanted to do.