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WIBU to consider writing to every man in the world

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TheRealAmandaClarke · 08/01/2015 13:50

To inform them all (probably leave Dh out of the round robin) that I do not want to have sex with them unless and until further formal notice from me?

As it seems that there is such confusion among so many people about the nature of consent I want to avoid putting any of them in the terribly awkward position of wondering whether simply being in the same room as them means they are invited to stick their dick in me.
So is that an unreasonable proposition?

OP posts:
wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:26

Yes it could happen. There could be a woman that twisted. Woman are not all angels you know...

I was reading yesterday about a 25 year old woman who had been having sex with her brother, who was under 18 and has an IQ of 54. She got pregnant by him. It was considered sexual assault because of his age and low IQ. That he had consented but hadn't comprehended what he was consenting to. She had a history of severe abuse herself.

There are many strange people in the world, who are capable of very strange things.

And if I can give a man a consenting rim job, and penetrate him analy with my finger for pleasure, who's to say another woman wouldn't get sexual pleasure out of the same acts being done without consent.

TheCowThatLaughs · 08/01/2015 15:28

Ok, so the letter goes to everyone then, what's the problem?

wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:28

And what about women committing statutory rape or abusing positions of power? E.g. Teachers sleeping with underage students?

wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:30

Yes send the letter to everyone then. All genders (and trans genders) and age groups. That is only fair.

TheCowThatLaughs · 08/01/2015 15:30

Actually it would be a problem because it wouldn't acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of sex crimes are committed by men, that's a fact

youareallbonkers · 08/01/2015 15:33

Yes...after all what's 2%

wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:35

So if a 16 year old disabled teenage boy is taken advantage of by his much older female teacher, that is just tough shit, because we are taking about statistics and generalisations?

Surely rape, sexual violence, or any non-consensual sexual activity committed by a woman doesn't count as such because it is a woman who did it?

TheCowThatLaughs · 08/01/2015 15:35

Better to focus resources where they will have most effect

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 08/01/2015 15:35

I really really can't get my head round everyone who is saying that the OP "must be gorgeous" or is bigheaded etc.

Are you under the impression that rapists pick their victims on the basis of attractiveness rather than vulnerability?

Oh yeah, that's why homeless drug addicted women with no teeth are completely safe from rape whereas Kate Middleton has to be surrounded by a plexiglass dome at all time as men are constantly pouncing on her.

The OP is a sarcastic suggestion, based on the fact that we DON'T know which men are rapists, so in order to make absolutely sure you contact all the rapists, you need to contact everyone.

wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:36
Hmm
youareallbonkers · 08/01/2015 15:36

Resources being OP's letter?

Perhaps there are a lot more men raped/abused etc but they don't want to admit it for fear of looking weak.

youareallbonkers · 08/01/2015 15:38

We also don't know all the murders/ child molesters/ bank robbers/ etc so better tell everyone not to do those things too...oh wait, they have, it's called the LAW!

wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:38

And as we don't know which women comit the 2% of male sex crimes, or female on female crimes, everyone should get a letter.

StarsOfTrackAndField · 08/01/2015 15:38

I agree cow the overwhelming majority of sex-crime is committed by men, but then the overwhelming majority of men don't commit sex crimes.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 08/01/2015 15:41

It does count. Of course.
It's just that the issue of assuming consent, and viewing women (and children really) as the property of men and the objectification of women by men (not all men) is more commonly a cultural issue than is the reverse.

OP posts:
wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:42

bonkers Exactly. Maybe the law needs better clarification on what constitutes consent.

youareallbonkers · 08/01/2015 15:43

Do you really think the kind of people who rape would take any notice of legal clarification?

wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:44

stars Very well put.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 08/01/2015 15:48

Are there any adverts reminding people not to rob banks?
Or reminding us that we are not allowed to punch shop assistants?
No.
But there are adverts that inform men of what is and what is not rape.
That remind them that being drunk is not a crime, but that rape is.
These adverts only exist because of the pervasive idea that woman exist for the pleasure and benefit of men.
Of course not all men think that way.
But you cannot tell who does just by looking can you?

OP posts:
Wolfbasher · 08/01/2015 15:49

I understood your opening post, OP - astonished that so many didn't.

Yes, consent means active consent, not just the absence of refusal. I agree, and I also agree that many people (male and female) seem confused on this matter.

The point isn't that rapists would care one way or the other. But people who would not rape themselves need to stop supporting rapists by blurring the issue. It is actually pretty clear.

wickedlazy · 08/01/2015 15:49

Just the same as rapists and molesters throwing op's letter in the bin. Was the original point not that society needs more clarification on what counts as consent?

FuckOffGerbil · 08/01/2015 15:50

Holy shit some people are stupid.

The OP is sending out a round robin to every male because not all men are rapists...and you don't actually know which ones are.

Unfortunately they don't all wear t-shirts. But this way she has covered the possibility with every potential male. See?

The reason she is making this comment is because so many people seem to think you need to make a man aware that you do not want to have sex with them. Rather, than say, they ask you first before putting their cock in you.

Anyway OP yabu because rapists will still rape and while it might make it clear that you didn't want to have sex with the person to a jury and judge... there are enough exceptions to that rule as to make it not worth the massive amount of environmental destruction that would happen if 3.5 billion women wrote 3.5 billion letters each to all the men in the world.

It would be easier to just keep saying "yes means yes, you fucking idiot" to people who say otherwise about drunk women or women who were "asking with it with their short skirt" or because they were so attractive Hmm Confused

TheBookofRuth · 08/01/2015 15:50

YY Amanda. Funnily enough, what doesn't exist are warnings from police to banks not to flaunt all their lovely money, else they'll be robbed. Strange that.

StandByYourTesselators · 08/01/2015 15:51

The Men
The World

8.1.2015

Dear Men,

Please don't rape us.

With kind regards,
TheRealAmandaClarke

c.c. The Women.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Samcro · 08/01/2015 15:55

not in my name
sexist shit