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WIBU to consider writing to every man in the world

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TheRealAmandaClarke · 08/01/2015 13:50

To inform them all (probably leave Dh out of the round robin) that I do not want to have sex with them unless and until further formal notice from me?

As it seems that there is such confusion among so many people about the nature of consent I want to avoid putting any of them in the terribly awkward position of wondering whether simply being in the same room as them means they are invited to stick their dick in me.
So is that an unreasonable proposition?

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GallicIsCharlie · 11/01/2015 23:21

Tbf, she did say I (the fictitious recipient of this accusatory universal missive), Buffy.

I am not persuaded that being in a state of justifiable distress makes it wrong of someone else to point out their basic human rights. Indeed, it doesn't stop debt collectors sending me demands for large amounts of money (as is their right) despite knowing I have severe depression & no dosh.

Micksy · 11/01/2015 23:22

I clearly stated that I was a ficticious recipient. But it doesn't matter. If you send out a letter like that to all blokes, you are absolutely sending out to men in that position and worse. You are sending it to paranoid schizophrenics and depressives. You are sending it to men whose children have been raped and murdered. That's the problem with ALL anything. It's the whole lot, no exceptions. And that's not okay.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 11/01/2015 23:22

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Micksy · 11/01/2015 23:26

Presumably you ran up the debts in the first place? Even so, I agree it is an unpleasant thing to be harassed and you really do have my sympathy, sarcastic tone aside. If you had never even run up the debts, but was receiving letters for someone else's, I would definitely be looking at ways of making that stop. I wouldn't be arguing in any way it was fine for you to be receiving them.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 11/01/2015 23:26

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MaMaMarmoset · 11/01/2015 23:26

It has been explained and reexplained. SO even if it was horribly worded (and it wasn't) you should get it now. Op did not call all men rapists, she's saving her self the trouble of anyone saying she really "asked" for it should that ever happen to her. As she doesn't know who the rapists are she needs to send the letter to every male in the world.

What is your problem with it now?

I'm so happy as a woman you're in a position to not be offended by the culture we live in that you can act all faux outraged at the OP> I sincerely hope you and no other woman you love are ever in a position to be forced to think otherwise. In the mean time, maybe think about others?

Maybe worry about the stats of actual women (women you do know, even if you don't realise) and not the men who shouldn't be offended if they are rapists?

YonicSleighdriver · 11/01/2015 23:27

Gallic, I read that as fictitious because it's clear from the thread that it's a thought experiment (i.e. that no actual recipient exists, only fictitious ones) - but I see it could be read either way.

MaMaMarmoset · 11/01/2015 23:29

The confusion was that I assumed she was a fictional recipient as it is a fictional letter. Because the OP is very obviously NOT going to send out the letter. So why the fuck get offended on behalf of fictional man awaiting biopsy?

YonicSleighdriver · 11/01/2015 23:29

Sometimes women who are depressed, or who have had children killed, or who are awaiting biopsies, or whose partners have had affairs, are raped.

Micksy · 11/01/2015 23:30

I never pretended. I said openly it was a ficticious response. I can see the was an ambiguity in that the response could have been fictional, not the responder, but it was totally unintentional, and not an indication of being the least persistent troll on the internet.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 11/01/2015 23:31

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Micksy · 11/01/2015 23:31

If you're going to send a fictional letter and ask if yabu, I think yabu to get offended by fictional recipients.

FightOrFlight · 11/01/2015 23:32

I clearly stated that I was a ficticious recipient

You seem to have missed the point that everyone is a fictitious recipient of a fictitious letter that never has been (and never will be) sent to anyone

Your post was the most surreal and pointless one on this thread so far, and that's quite an achievement.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 11/01/2015 23:35

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Micksy · 11/01/2015 23:36

I've only ever once personally been in the situation. I believed the woman absolutely, showed her my full support, and cut all contract with the man involved.
Power is always more readily believed, women in general have less, children and the mentally ill less still, and I can see no way to a utopia in which this will ever be untrue.
This will not be solved with round robins.

PetulaGordino · 11/01/2015 23:36

This isn't actually about letters at all micksy

It's about what women have to do not to be assumed at a societal level not to be a in constant state of consent

This isn't me drip feeding or a selective memory or whatever. This is reading between the lines and seeing the wider point the OP is trying to make

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 11/01/2015 23:37

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MaMaMarmoset · 11/01/2015 23:37

I feel like I'm in a fictional parallel universe

PetulaGordino · 11/01/2015 23:37

Hmm too many negatives there

Micksy · 11/01/2015 23:38

Not everyone was a recipient. Only all men. If the issue is lack of belief, you are missing a whole half your target audience.

YonicSleighdriver · 11/01/2015 23:40

"It's about what women have to do not to be assumed at a societal level not to be a in constant state of consent"

This.

I;d be happy for the letter to go to the whole population, Micksy, Would you be happy then?

PetulaGordino · 11/01/2015 23:42

I have fixed it:

"It's about what women have to do not to be assumed at a societal level to be a in constant state of consent"

PetulaGordino · 11/01/2015 23:43

It still looks wrong

Micksy · 11/01/2015 23:46

I think I'd still take issue in that a lot of people aren't in a good mental place to process the difficulties of anyone's life but their own, and that you might really upset a lot of vulnerable people.

You'd be sending lot more letters, which I think would mean more harm. I don't see much positive coming from your letters to balance that (otherwise I'd join you and really do it). In addition, you'd also be statistically reaching less rapists.
I appreciate the offer, but if your going to send out potentially harmful fictional letters, I'd rather you sent as few as possible and minimised the fictional fallout.

YonicSleighdriver · 11/01/2015 23:50

Why would you see such a letter as an accusation, rather than a piece of information?