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G/Children sleepover at granny's house

719 replies

Zabelithe · 04/01/2015 20:00

I'd be interested to hear at what age most of you mums let your DD and DS sleep at granny's house. I ask because our GD who is 4 and a half has still not been allowed to stay at ours despite the fact we have looked after her during the day while mum was working.

OP posts:
slithytove · 09/01/2015 10:47

Im not assuming that at all

slithytove · 09/01/2015 10:50

I don't see why you are finding these nuances difficult. This is why some people would just prefer to say no.

"No. He bed wets / has nightmares / is too young" = no.

"That would be lovely but I'm afraid he bed wets / has nightmares / is too young = that would be lovely but I want to be honest with you and I hope you have a solution

slithytove · 09/01/2015 10:52

Am I the only one who does this then? Uses a genuine but solvable issue to say no to stuff instead of having to say I don't want to?

Like going to the park, apparently saying no thanks without giving a reason is rude. I'm not comfortable saying no thanks I don't want to, so I might say no thanks but I don't have a car.

How bloody difficult is it to say no again once the person has said they'll collect me!

fluffyraggies · 09/01/2015 10:55

Much of this huge thread is based purely on conjecture surrounding a now absent OPs situation:

1 the DIL is secretly telling her MIL she cant have the kids overnight,
2 the DIL said 'no' without explanation, (this has been a BIG one)
3 the OP is an unpaid childminder,
4 the OP is perfectly capable of having the DCs overnight, proved somehow by having them during the day,
5 the DIL does all the childcare arrangements and the son is working too hard to care be bothered by such trivial matters.

Hak - you keep asking for posters to come and explain their reasons for saying no to a perfectly good MIL having the GC overnight without giving any explanation and with no good reason. You're not getting a response because it's a straw man situation for an argument.

Some on the thread are defending and discussing the right to say no without explanation, (and when and how best to do it) and examples have been offered such as 'no thank you, not yet', 'no thank you, not right now', they have said they would rather the person offering doesn't push after the first polite no. NO ONE is going to rock up and say ''i told my perfectly lovely, totally capable MIL just ''No!'' when she asked to have the kids overnight, even though i have no good reason and am desperate for a break, because that's my right and that's why i did it!''. Because there isn't anyone.

Re: care for when you're in hospital, in my case for all first 3 DCs it was a friend or my mother who came over and babysat for the night. For DC4 the older ones were old enough to sit themselves (21, 19 & 16 :))

MaMaMarmoset · 09/01/2015 10:56

So if I don't want my kids to sleep over at someone's house and I say

"no" just no. I am unreasonable.

But if I say "No because of x,y,z" (or some made up bullshit because I'm being polite) I'm being unreasonable.

So is the only correct response to say, actually "no, I think you are totally unacceptable for nighttime sleep overs, I don't trust you and my kid finds you boring"? I feel like that wouldn't go down well either.

I have lots of friends and family who I care about and love but are not appropriate caregivers. Why should I ruin those relationships because people can't just accpet "No"

mytimewillcome · 09/01/2015 10:56

She isn't finding nuances difficult she is purposely avoiding them discussing them so she doesn't have to deal with them. I know her type.

Hakluyt · 09/01/2015 10:58

So what would you say if you really did want to go but your car really was in for a service? "Yes, but can you come and pick us up?"

There have been threads on here where asking for a lift is classified as about as rude as peeing in the soup!

MaMaMarmoset · 09/01/2015 11:01

We'd love to but the car is in the shop can we do next Thursday? Or please come to mine it would be great!

I'd love to come to your house for dinner, we are vegetarian, is that OK? I can bring a nut roast!

MaryWestmacott · 09/01/2015 11:06

But Hakluyt - you seem to be determined to think that problems are being presented to you for a solution. I often will just say "no thanks" or "no, that doesn't work for me." or "Not this time." because I don't want people like you trying to "solve" my excuse, and the reality of "I really just don't want to" can be hurtful.

If anyone has a problem with people overstepping boundaries you're trying to put in, I'd always say "that doesn't work for me" is a better answer than trying to explain why, because determined people will argue that your feelings are wrong.

The OP started this whole thread because she feels her DIL's feelings about her own child are wrong and wanted examples of how wrong she is and ways to get what she wants regardless of her DIL's feelings. With someone like that, never, ever explain. explainations and 'sitting down to discuss it' are bad ideas.

"No" is a holdable position. "No, because of X" is not if the other person can fix X or argue it's not an issue really. If what you want is "no" not a solution, then never explain. If the DIL and DS had an issue that they wanted resolved but otherwise would be happy for their DD to sleep over at Grannies, then they would volunteer that.

It's important not just for MILs, but for all relationships, to realise that other people have a right to say no to you sometimes. Just no.

Theboodythatrocked · 09/01/2015 11:09

Some people just want their own way and concequently. Never see or understand wheels within wheels as they are like bulldozers.

I hope my soon to be lovely dil is one who doesn't want us to have the future gc overnight!!!

Been there and done that thanks. Only in emergencies.

My sil has her gc every other weekend, all weekend!!! Fuck that! Me and dh have our own lives to live disgracefully! Grin

fluffyraggies · 09/01/2015 11:09

If i really wanted to go gut reaction = ''Oh god! i'd love to, but the bloody car's being serviced! Can we do it tomorrow/Monday?''.

Hakluyt · 09/01/2015 11:09

"No, she's too young"
"No, she only sleeps well in her own bed"
"No, we have other plans"
"No, she wakes in the night and only I will do"
"No, we've only just managed to get her into a bedtime routine"
"No, we don't let her sleep in houses where people smoke"
"No, I've been looking forward to reading her bedtime story all day"
"No, I know you take sleeping pills and I would b worried you wouldn't wake if she needed you"
"No, this is the only night I/her father will see her all week"

Just a few unambiguous "Nos".......One of which, interestingly, I used on my own pils...........

gobbynorthernbird · 09/01/2015 11:10

Hak, I don't think a one off, not really putting anybody out of their way, lift would be seen as rude. The threads where asking for a lift is seen as rude are the 'my colleague wants to to travel a 60 mile round trip twice a day, leaving my DC with a child minder, not offering petrol money, and they have a perfectly good Bentley sat on the driveway but they don't want it to get scratched in the work car park' type. Nobody would think an otherwise normal, reliable, non piss taking friend rude if they asked to be picked once up because their exhaust had gone and they had no car for a couple of days.

fluffyraggies · 09/01/2015 11:12

So ... i don't understand, those reasons are ones which you personally would not try to 'solve'? Not find rude, unacceptable? OK for use with MILs as well as friends?

Hakluyt · 09/01/2015 11:23

No- not rude. Well, the smoking and sleeping pills ones might be a bit rude- but circumstances like that call for unambiguous honesty. They are all reasons that the inviter cannot offer a "fix" for.

MaryWestmacott · 09/01/2015 11:24

OK, Hak - your list,
"No, she's too young" - OP started this thread trying to get 'evidence' that she's not too young.
"No, she only sleeps well in her own bed" - answered with "That's only because she's not slept over, if you'd just let her then you'll see she'll sleep."
"No, we have other plans" - "next weekend then, or the weekend after?"
"No, she wakes in the night and only I will do" - "she's fine with me in the day, I'll ask her, DGD, you'd be happy with me giving you cuddles in the night if you wake up wouldn't you?"
"No, we've only just managed to get her into a bedtime routine" - "We'll follow your routine."
"No, we don't let her sleep in houses where people smoke" - that can be seen as offensive, just start a thread on here about smokers, they treat it as an insult - plus that oculd be answered with "but you let her come to our house in the day"
"No, I've been looking forward to reading her bedtime story all day" - "another night then"
"No, I know you take sleeping pills and I would b worried you wouldn't wake if she needed you" - "I won't take them."
"No, this is the only night I/her father will see her all week" - "another night then"

See, as soon as you give a reason, you give a problem that the other side can try to fix. Then you have to agree, or say why you really don't want to, which might be upsetting (hense not saying it in the first place), whereas a straightforward "no" stops that.

Hakluyt · 09/01/2015 11:25

And which don't leave the inviter feeling like crap. Which is a concern for me, if not for the "no is a complete sentence" brigade.

Hakluyt · 09/01/2015 11:28

Well, I am sort of assuming that sooner or later, you will let your child stay with the afore mentioned kindly,safe! loving, non toxic grandmother.....

For example, when your child asks if they can........

MaryWestmacott · 09/01/2015 11:35

but that's it Hakluyt, the OP's DIL and DS dont want their DD to stay over. They haven't said no to specific dates, just no. "no thank you" or "that's a very kind offer, but no." is fine as an answer, unless you feel the person saying 'no' doesn't have a right to do so, so therefore need to hear their reason to judge for yourself if it's a valid one.

diddl · 09/01/2015 11:36

"And which don't leave the inviter feeling like crap"

Well then the inviter needs to realise that it isn't about them & either trust that there is a valid reason, or accept that (in their opinion) there isn't, but it's still a no.

gobbynorthernbird · 09/01/2015 11:46

when your child asks if they can

Do I need to make a list here of all the things my (now adult) DC has asked to do over the years which I've had to say no to?

mytimewillcome · 09/01/2015 11:59

Seriously people. Don't engage with hakluyt. She has done 20 pages of this. The booodythatrocked put it well. The only opinion that counts is her own. She could drive a person insane.

loiner45 · 09/01/2015 11:59

What Hakluyt seems to be arguing for, and I agree with, is honesty not fudged excuses. Yes, there have been all sorts of things I haven't let my dc do because I was not comfortable with them doing it. I never made excuses though, I said it was because I was not comfortable. I remember numerous conversations with various dc along the lines of "yes, I know you will probably be OK and I know your friends are doing it, but I would worry too much and I just can't let you do X yet". BUT - as I think my role as a parent is to enable my dc to be independent and capable adults I have sometimes had to just take the anxiety and let them do things outside my comfort zone (the first music festivals comes to mind!).

If you don't feel you want to let GPs have children for overnights then yes, you have the right to say that - but making up some excuse for why doesn't really seem sensible to me.

diddl · 09/01/2015 12:02

But then if reason is given, it should be accepted & a way around it not looked for?

So, "no because they wet the bed"-accept it, not offer a solution?

Hakluyt · 09/01/2015 12:04

OK- Mytime. One last question.

What is the reason you would never let your child stay even one night with a kindly,safe, loving non toxic well known grandparent if your child wanted to?