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To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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floatyflo · 04/01/2015 18:48

Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

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TheOfficialPan · 06/01/2015 18:21

I think to play professional football you must be registered with the F.A.

YonicSleighdriver · 06/01/2015 18:23

I'm less surprised than you, LineRunner.

YonicSleighdriver · 06/01/2015 18:26

Vivienne, are people persecuting Nestle by continuing to boycott new product lines as well ad existing ones?

People can boycott whatever they choose. I would not, for example, spend money with a company that had DOminique Strauss Kahn on the board. That's my choice.

ILovePud · 06/01/2015 18:26

I can't understand why the sponsors think that their on-going sponsorship of any club that employs RCE is more in their commercial interest than withdrawing their support (if they all did this I think the deal would collapse anyway). Surely they could swap their sponsorship to a different club rather than face bad publicity and boycotts. How much business can sponsoring Oldham bring in?

YonicSleighdriver · 06/01/2015 18:30

If I was a cynic, pud, I'd say it's because some believe they should show "that bird" what's what.

Luckily I'm a cock-eyed optimist so I'll put it down to not wanting to interfere in board decisions.

BOFster · 06/01/2015 18:32

This article is brief and to the point, but it outlines very clearly why Oldham should not consider signing Evans. It is absolute madness that they are still thinking about it.

clam · 06/01/2015 18:33

OK, so now I'm confused. Can someone explain to me about the "leave to appeal" fast-track thingy? I understood he had already appealed (or asked to appeal??) twice and been turned down. If so, how come he can ask for a third time? I thought there was a limit.

I'm sure I read that this latest thing (that people are calling an appeal) isn't exactly that. Help!

TheOfficialPan · 06/01/2015 18:36

No it isn't an appeal - its a request to the CCRC to see if their lawyers agree that there are grounds to apply for a further appeal. This doesn't rely on 'new evidence' being avaialble. It isn't just a case of 'appeal early, appeal often'.

LineRunner · 06/01/2015 18:38

He hasn't been granted an appeal. He has asked twice, and been turned down. He has now asked a third time.

He is likely to be turned down again - ie told that he cannot have an appeal because he has no grounds.

limitedperiodonly · 06/01/2015 18:39

So what is the latest?

About an hour ago Sky said Oldham were putting out an important statement.

His tragedy makes me cry until the tears run down my legs.

And do people deliberately use pictures of him looking like mugshots from the police or a home for the bewildered or is that just happenstance?

iamtheeggman · 06/01/2015 18:40

prh I don't think you are quite right in your analysis of the CofA verdict. The CofA said this:

"We also note that in his sentencing remarks the judge was satisfied that the complainant lacked the capacity to consent to sexual activity. That was simply his view; he would not know how the jury had reached its own decision, but we must respect his analysis."

So the trial judge himself thought that the victim was too drunk to consent.

The jury must either have agreed with him, or themselves concluded that the victim was not too drunk to consent, but in fact did not do so.

The victim gave no evidence to suggest that she did not consent, and none was given by anyone else. Logically, the only conclusion that the jury can have reached is that the victim was too drunk. We will never know, and juries do odd things, but that is the only logical conclusion.

The Court of Appeal was rebutting the argument put by RCE's barrister in making this statement, not disagreeing with the trial judge.

RCE has tried two different tacks no intoxication evidence - one at trial (that she lied about how drunk she was) and one on appeal (that she didn't and her memory loss was real, but that didn't preclude her having consented and forgotten). Neither "worked". I agree that is seems unlikely that new intoxication evidence will get him anywhere.

I do get slightly Hmm when people say that RCE was convicted by his own statement. It isn't true and it gives a slightly misleading impression. The victim's evidence was important in the conviction, although she didn't give evidence on consent. There was also lots of other evidence from the hotel staff, the taxi driver, the CCTV. It isn't quite as simple as RCE saying "I shagged her, so what" and being convicted on that basis.

YonicSleighdriver · 06/01/2015 18:40

There is no set limit on the number of requests for appeal, AFAIK, however, I think requests will be dismissed out of hand if there aren't at least some new claims/evidence.

Normally people listen to their lawyers/run out of fee money before CE, I expect!!

ILovePud · 06/01/2015 18:43

I think that cynicism is not misplaced yonic, I wonder whether there is a group of powerful men in these organisations who share Evans' views on rape and want to put the 'feminists' behind the 'witch hunt' in their place and maintain the prevailing macho culture that was the backdrop to this case.

clam · 06/01/2015 18:44

Ah right, thanks.

I'm Hmm about what on earth is taking them so long to decide. Presumably there's a humdinger of a row going on about it. I think that is they do sign him, the members of the public who've expressed their views via the petition (numbers still increasing at a phenomenal rate) and elsewhere, are going to be furious at their arrogance and attract even more support. I think they could end up in more hassle even than now. This isn't going to go away. People aren't suddenly going to say "OK, fair dos, let the lad play, bless him" and cheer him on from the stands.

YonicSleighdriver · 06/01/2015 18:45

It's clear that the manager (Lee Johnson, I think) doesn't want to sign him but will abide by the board's decision.

iamtheeggman · 06/01/2015 18:49

here is come info on the CCRC

They are a body that has the job of investigating possible miscarriages of justice, i.e. people who have possibly been wrongfully convicted.

The investigate the grounds for an appeal and can refer a case to the Court of Appeal and require them to hear an appeal. There is normally an horrendous wait to get to the front of the queue. Cases are "fast tracked" where the convicted person is in prison or near death, for obvious reasons. They are less commonly fast tracked in cases like these. As mentioned above, it seems this case may have been fast tracked because of the impact it is having on RCE's career.

The CCRC itself does nothing to a conviction and only the Court of Appeal can hear an appeal and quash a conviction. So the fact that the CCRC is investigating this case does not mean that RCE is "appealing". No one seems to know the possible grounds of appeal that the CCRC is investigating.

RCE has already had two hearings of leave to appeal (this is the first step to getting a full appeal) and both were refused.

So the CCRC is a third go at getting a full appeal hearing.

clam · 06/01/2015 18:50

Anyone know how much the sponsorship deals from Mecca and Verling are worth? I believe the Sports Direct deal is around £1m. Just wondering what would happen if there was a situation whereby those two said they'd withdraw if OA do sign him, and SportsDirect say they'll withdraw if they don't. Which is worth more?

clam · 06/01/2015 18:53

Right, so egg, all those on chat forums saying he's appealing so he's not necessarily guilty aren't technically correct then.

LineRunner · 06/01/2015 18:55

No, he isn't appealing. He doesn't have an appeal.

He is trying to get one but has twice been refused.

Andrewofgg · 06/01/2015 18:55

One footballer played again after a vicious racist attack. Another plays in spite of killing somebody by dangerous driving.

Vivienne, I did not know about the first one, of course I did about the second. A pity in both cases. But not quite rape, nothing is quite rape. And I would have preferred it if professional football had shown these two the door. But that does not provide any other club with an excuse for doing the same thing only more so.

grimbletart · 06/01/2015 18:56

/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30698382

Apologies if someone has already posted this. The Attorney General's office is looking into whether the web site supporting CE amounts to contempt of court

PetulaGordino · 06/01/2015 18:57

Will their thrashing out of the deal include detailing how they will safeguard women who work at fhe club and will come into contact with a convicted rapist who is not yet rehabilitated?

iamtheeggman · 06/01/2015 18:59

Indeed clam

Andrewofgg · 06/01/2015 19:08

grimbletart I'm not sure if this is RCE's site or a piece of private enterprise - I have read on another thread that there are sites claiming to support him which are not his work. For that, at least, he is not responsible.

Andrewofgg · 06/01/2015 19:09

Petula Rehabilitated? The sentence he got is too long for that. He never will be.

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