To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

Oldham Athletic's board disgust me, why are they still considering signing this man? I really hope they don't offer him a contract with him then being paraded in front of the cameras pulling a sad face and offering some piss poor half apology. What are the sponsors who are still prepared to sponsor the club if they sign him thinking? I hope the publicity wreaks their businesses. Good on those who have said they'll withdraw their sponsorship if he is signed.

Remorse,contrition are desireable after crime.yes
But realistically not all perpetrators will express remorse or contrition
As a a liberal society we love with dysfunction and try encourage rehabilitation post- prison.ideally achieved through employment and not offending again
Many celebs,footballers have drug,rood traffic,violent offence records and not all show any contrition.in fact some go on to gain reputation as hard man/geezer that they don't eschew

As a a liberal society we live with dysfunction and try encourage rehabilitation post- prison.ideally achieved through employment and not offending again

The issue is evans return to football career is contentious. But oart of rehabilitation is to re-engage in society, not reoffend,and emplyment is a significant marker in rehab after prison

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As i said others in public eye have returned to previous role after crimes.in football joey barton spring to mind.different crime but served penal sentence. In media there are numerous conviction for violence,drugs,road traffic and all these people were still allowed to continue career

Evans could of course seek alternative employment.it may be football too high profile

This is nothing to do with rights making wrong.thats overly simplistic
Rehab after prison includes employment, not re-offending,putting it colloquially going straight

I genuinely can't understand why any football club would want to be associated with him tbh. I mean he was a two bit player a few years ago who committed an abhorrent crime, protests his innocence and cannot grasp what he has done.

I'd have thought that that would be a hell of a lot of bad publicity etc for very little benefit?

I signed I thought they were not going to sign him now I hope so

ds and all his friends are football mad. they look up to the players it is bad enough that many off the pitch and at times the way they are on the pitch are not someone I would really like him to look up to but to think he would admire someone like Evans is worrying

how could I explain to a young boy what rape is and why he is not someone to be admired or to aspire too

I am beginning to think this is not just about his ability as a footballer and how good he could be for a team but about some who are in charge of certain teams belief around sex crimes towards women and how men fall victim

I agree why would anyone want to sign him unless they felt the crime he committed and has served half of his sentence for was not really of importance. the fact that he was found guilty, sent to prison but has always claimed he was innocent and has never once shown any remorse this is not about giving him a second chance, rehabilitation this is about how many in society view sex and violence against women

I wasn't aware of the Mboyo example, House. Thank you.

This lays to rest the notion that RCE is getting an unprecedented tough ride

Note his statements of contrition and remorse:

Mboyo insisted prison had changed him. "It was there, for the first time, that I realised the seriousness of what I had done," he said. "I decided to take responsibility."

You might argue that Mboyo was denied a shot at redemption when West Ham declined to offer him a contract, but he is still playing football in Belgium.

It is ridiculous to continue to suggest that RCE is being singled out, however.

waits patiently for Judy Finnegan to highlight why the two cases are different...

Signed for many reasons:

1. Chad Evans has shown no remorse
2. Why can't he look for a job outside of football
3. Hopefully his victim will gain some comfort in knowing that there are a lot of people who don't see why he should just be able to live his life as before

These have been covered on numerous times in this thread but those are my reasons

I agree Freudianslipper I think there is a culture of misogyny across all layers of professional football. Reading some of the comments below articles in the media on the CE case shows how far there is to go and why this campaign is so important.

His supporters seem to be reliant on the "he has been punished - leave him alone" attitude.
But there is a huge difference between punishment and Justice.
and clearly the public do not think that justice has been fully served , and it would be difficult to argue that the punishment is equivalent to the crime which is really the only way justice could be served.
The sense of entitlement that led to the crime is still evident in the perpetrator and this means he puts himself in an "unforgivable" position, nobody else is doing that to him. His attempts to resume his previous life / lifestyle are doomed as people cannot forgive him. He has not been brought low in any way.

He cannot be forgiven until justice has been seen to have been served not just in the individual crime against the poor young woman, but the loss of faith and hurt caused to fans and supporters, which is a much more wide ranging hurt - it is the backlash of this wide scale emotional crime he is now suffering from,
and he is surprised and rails against it...and thus it gets worse.

He is the engine of his own destruction.

iamthyeeggman

I am well aware of the fact that CCRC are reviewing his case. I was simply answering the question from Willferrellisactuallykindahot as to why the supporters set up the site. All such campaign websites give a one-sided view of the evidence to a greater or lesser degree. And this site was set up well before the CCRC review was announced.

I am fascinated to know why his case has been fast-tracked, by the way.

I don't have any inside knowledge. However, looking at the CCRC's criteria for fast tracking the only one that seems to fit is "individual factors demonstrate that the conviction has an exceptionally adverse impact on the convicted person". In this case the "exceptionally adverse impact" is on his employment prospects. So it is quite possible the outcry over whether or not he should be able to play professional football again has resulted in the case being fast tracked.

I repeat - I don't have any inside knowledge but none of the other criteria for fast tracking seem to fit this case. The only other possible interpretation is that the high profile campaign including the website has resulted in the case being fast tracked, but the CCRC is adamant that it does not respond to that kind of pressure.

And the reason that the website might be pulled down is not libel

Again, I was answering a question as to whether Evans' lawyers would have told him to pull the site. Libel is the obvious reason. If the victim is identifiable that would clearly be an issue that should result in the site being taken down but, without a thorough review of the site, I haven't seen anything that would identify her to anyone other than those who already know who she is and that she is the victim. Given that it has been there for over 2 years and no action has been taken I presume that any identifying information that may have been present has been removed.

ILovePud sadly it is not just misogyny in football, tv presenters, radio presenters, football supporters :(