To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

House - unless and until he admits his guilt or the website is banned, I am afraid I think the website is a very canny course of action by him in terms of winning over support from the general football-following public.

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Ah yes yonic, the old 'Ched was curious to find out who she was'.....

One of the things I remember when I first ever read about this case and looked on the website, was reading the 'key facts' section, agog and open mouthed.

I mean surely most young blokes in a taxi home with their mates who receive a text from another friend saying 'I've got a bird' would read that as 'I've got lucky, don't ring me for the rest of the night now, see you tomorrow'. But no, what CM actually meant was 'come and join in, even though you have never met her and don't even know if you will fancy her, and get your brother and his mates to film it, that will be well lolz'. And CE and his posse read it like that as well.

I mean in what fucking world is that normal?! I mean what had happened in these men's lives prior to that night for that to be the 'natural' reaction? And CE's family, including his frigging girlfriend still maintain that it was 'just a one night stand gone wrong'.

Ooops, I said 'I mean' quite a lot there!

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I had the "here is a petition you may be interested in" email through from change.org at 11am, wonder if that is helping the current surge in signatures?

Shame they didnt notice i'd already signed it though!

That's still a new signature every couple of seconds.

NChanged - chilling story. Thanks for sharing it.

I'm dying to know who you are though.

As tactfully as possible - would it be possible not to fill up this thread with posts that simply show the current petition stats? Or simply to add them to other comments?

I've posted a lot on this thread. Not just stats either.

But of course I would not want to continue to intrude on a thread where my contributions are not welcome.

Posting stats keeps the thread bumped up high. I'm sure it's in keeping with the ops intention too.

I know I shouldn't click on Ched Evan's horrible site but I just watched that cctv footage. I don't see how that could possibly prove she wasn't 'that' drunk tbh - yes she's walking, but it's time-lapsed stills, so you wouldn't be able to see how steady she really was. It shows her getting out the cab (CM opens the door for her, and appears to help her out or takes her pizza) and then wandering around the road looking rather out of it.

Quite extraordinarily, she then vanishes into thin air.

She then reappears at the hotel door. She looks to me like she's clinging to CM in the lobby. She forgets her pizza and goes back for it, and she possibly stumbled when walking back in with the pizza - hard to tell on that one, but she seems to fall forward. And she seems totally unaware that she had lost her handbag (I wonder if the poor girl ever found it?).

Anyway, that's enough of that insanity for me!

I think CM did serious harm to CE's defence by telling the Night Porter she was sick.

Why, Icimoi?

Support for what though

It is no different from the petition being supported by this thread. No-one on this thread can decide whether or not Oldham (or any other football club) employ him. The campaigners need someone else (in Evans' case the CCRC) to do something they can't do themselves. Getting lots of supporters is seen as a way of supporting the cause and putting pressure on those who will make the decisions. Evans' site also contains a number of requests for information, presumably in the hope of getting new evidence that would help to overturn the conviction.

do you think his lawyers will have advised him to leave it up or take it down?

Now there's an interesting question!

As it isn't his site as such he can't be sued for libel and I'm not convinced there is anything on there that is libellous. I haven't reviewed the site in detail so I may have missed something but apart from the alleged tweets by the victim it seems to largely consist of a rehash of some of the evidence from the trial plus requests for information and/or support.

My guess (and it is just a guess)? Right now they have probably either said nothing or advised him to leave it up in the hope of getting additional information that might help his case. I wouldn't be surprised if the site disappears, at least temporarily, if the case is sent back for a retrial.

Remember, Sabrina, there was no defence at that stage, as they had done nothing wrong.

...which makes me realise that CM is lucky he didn't get convicted, as that admission by him casts some doubt on his reasonable belief that she consented. It all goes to show that CM was only narrowly acquitted, and RCE only narrowly convicted. With a different jury, they may both have gone down or both been acquitted.

That's not to support the Ched-genda, by the way. He was convicted, and that is that. To second guess the verdict on either man would be to make the verdict of the jury meaningless.

I feel sorry for Chad's family who have stuck by him and are all still having to live with this. It is a nasty hate campaign....Lets just hope he doesn't end his life. A young talent with no future. Shame!!!!

You seriously think he is going to be granted leave to appeal?

Jess and the Chedistas are trilling.

Oh and what I hate, is rape.

I'm torn.his crime is reprehensible and he lacks contrition.the woman he raped is subjected to dreadful trolls and threats.however,I do think rehabilitation has to be considered to reintegrate back into society post-prison.he does need to get employment and gainful activity. He has served his sentence.
However,I wouldn't want to take my kids to football match he was playing in
But other footballers have returned to employment after serious crimes inc penal convictions eg joey Barton
Numerous footballers have drug,domestic violence,road traffic records - and have all maintained employment

I do support concept of rehabilitation after prison,and encouraging employment
But I completely understand what many find unpalatable about ched Evans return to football

"It is a nasty hate campaign....Lets just hope she doesn't end her life. A young talent with no future. Shame!!!!"

Fixed that for you.

The number of convictions for those who have been so unfair to the poor young woman shows just how disgraceful the nasty hate campaign is.

prh the website is totally different from the petition.

The website invites the general public to second-guess the jury's verdict on the basis of a skewed interpretation of facts presented at trial, the omission of others and the addition of inadmissible evidence.

The petition is just that - members of the public asking OAFC not to do something that it is considering, stating its reasons.

If RCE or his supporters wanted to start a petition asking OAFC (or any other club) to offer him a contract on the basis that he:

• has a right to play football
• has served his time
• is innocent

then that would be fine. Good luck to them.

The campaigners need someone else (in Evans' case the CCRC) to do something they can't do themselves. Getting lots of supporters is seen as a way of supporting the cause and putting pressure on those who will make the decisions.

The CCRC are doing something. They are reviewing his case (note that this is not an appeal - he has had two of those already). The CCRC do not need a website to tell them what the evidence is in making their decision whether to send his case for a third appeal. I am fascinated to know why his case has been fast-tracked, by the way.

Evans' site also contains a number of requests for information, presumably in the hope of getting new evidence that would help to overturn the conviction.

If he needs new evidence, maybe something along the lines of "if you have any information about the events of DD/MM/YYYY in Rhyl, please email [email protected]" would do, rather than a one-sided presentation of facts already considered at trial.

And the reason that the website might be pulled down is not libel. I understand that the victim is alleging that she is identifiable from the information on it, which is contempt of court. There may also be other legal rights that are being violated by virtue of the harassment she is receiving, to which the website is a contributing factor. I don't think the website will be pulled down, but I think it should be. The reason being that it is a cynical ploy by RCE to get himself back in football without admitting his guilt or proving his innocence.