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To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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floatyflo · 04/01/2015 18:48

Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

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HouseWhereNobodyLives · 06/01/2015 09:54

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Willferrellisactuallykindahot · 06/01/2015 10:04

Also, he is not bring prevented from being offered a role. The public are just making their views known. In pure business terms, it's as simple as that.

Yes, this. The only people who are 'stopping' Evans playing again are the football clubs.

I also agree with the poster above who questioned the whole 'this is turning into a witch hunt now' thing. Er no, people who objected to him going back to Sheffield United are now...umm... Objecting to him going to Oldham. Shocker. Hmm

Willferrellisactuallykindahot · 06/01/2015 10:10

No, the 'brave lady' letter reads like total bullshit.

Kylie Evans also tweeted a picture (it may be onthenwebsite I'm not sure) of a screenshot of an email/message saying stuff along the lines of 'I have evidence that she just did it for money, I don't know what to do with the information, I'm really scared' etc, then with a plea from the family to get back to them with more info.

I mean, seriously, this is all they have (plus support from the likes of Nicola McClean and Katie Hopkins) they are seriously scraping the bottom of the barrell.

MissPenelopeLumawoo2 · 06/01/2015 10:13

Justin Lee Collins was convicted of harassing his partner in 2012. He was sentenced to community service. It has taken him a while to get another job as a comedian, despite having apologised to his victim and shown remorse for his behaviour. He used to be on every comedy programme going, now I think he works for a small comedy radio station. He did not walk back into his previous lucrative career after his conviction, and he was not convicted of such a serious crime. So how is Ched being picked on and singled out? Other 'celebs' have had similar experiences.

HouseWhereNobodyLives · 06/01/2015 10:39

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Inthedarkaboutfashion · 06/01/2015 11:22

Aren't all of those paedophiles house? Quite right they should never work on tv / theatre etc again. I hope Watkins never gets out of prison for what he did let alone go back to being a famous musician.

LeonardoAcropolis · 06/01/2015 11:23

I'm late to this party, but I have signed the petition.

I agree, with bells on, that this arse of a rapist should not go back to his privileged position of a footballer.

I have been reading a lot of online opinion about this, and as well as this ifsufferable' he's done his time', what is truly offending me is his supporters saying 'what was she expecting (when she went back to his room)? tea and biscuits?' Angry I find that very disturbing.

However, I am very happy to see so many comments from men who are against his possible employment.

If there's any chance that Cheds victim is reading this: best wishes to you Thanks

Jux · 06/01/2015 11:41

Our population is filled with idiots Sad

No wonder Gordon Brown wanted to encourage scientific thought and proper scientific analysis in schools. What a shame it didn't work.

The most worrying thing is, I think, the apparent lack of understanding of the issues surrounding consent in our general population. I can see why people may have come up with the phrase "lock up your daughters" with so many eejits around.

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AuntieStella · 06/01/2015 11:45

"what was she expecting (when she went back to his room)? tea and biscuits?' "

That appears to be why the acquitted footballer could reasonably have thought she consented.

She did not, of course, go anywhere with CE.

HouseWhereNobodyLives · 06/01/2015 11:46

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AuntieStella · 06/01/2015 11:51

"It's all wrong."

I agree, and my personal view on when a convict's offending profile becomes incompatible with role performing to audiences including young people is when it is grave enough for a custodial sentence.

Was Chris Fountain even prosecuted? Or is he an example of how glorifying rape is in itself incompatible with a performance role.

HouseWhereNobodyLives · 06/01/2015 11:55

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AuntieStella · 06/01/2015 11:59

Petition still growing rapidly: 42, 924

VikingVolva · 06/01/2015 12:04

As a society, we have created the monster of the professional football club.

Good way of putting it. And finding out that the public is not endlessly tolerant of putting those convicted of serious crimes into positions where they will be cheered on by our DC seems to be coming as a bit of a shock.

AuntieStella · 06/01/2015 12:29

Petition now 44,796

prh47bridge · 06/01/2015 12:29

what exactly is the point of the Ched Evans website

Without commenting on the specifics of this case, it is common for those campaigning on behalf of someone convicted of a crime of which the campaigners believe they are innocent to set up a website in order to put the facts of the case (as they see them) on the web and garner support.

Why edit CCTV coverage

If you view the whole clip on the website it consists of images from two separate cameras. Check the timestamps and you will see that the second camera fills in the time missing from the first. Put the two together in the correct order and you have a continuous record of what happened from the time McDonald and the victim arrived at the hotel until they had passed through the lobby.

I repeat, I am not taking any stance on Evans guilt or innocence.

AuntieStella · 06/01/2015 12:33

That's growing more rapidly than the evening when it was first launched (and several places reported that it was the fastest growing petition ever; I don't know if that claim's well founded).

In the 40 minutes between my posts, there were 1872 more signatures, or about 47 a minute. That's about 2 every 3 seconds.

grimbletart · 06/01/2015 12:39

Looks like Oldham are pulling out

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/05/ched-evans-oldham-athletic_n_6415414.html

NChangedForAnon · 06/01/2015 12:51

FWIW, here is my experience of what high level football success - and all that comes with that - does to someone and the warping of their view of those around them and the world at large.

In 2001 when DC3 was only months old a young footballer 'X' (I know/knew nothing of football but became aware solely via DH that he was a rising star, well known, was now playing as opposed to subbing for his team - a very high profile Premier League team - and was suddenly being rewarded accordingly) and his GF, 'Y', moved into the gated community where we lived. They were childhood sweethearts from a pretty skint background and both pretty lovely and very down to earth. Their joy at having this amazing new house was palpable.

I was working in a reasonably high profile position at the time and they knew who I was, one of the reasons I suspect they spent more time with us than others who lived there as they - correctly - knew for certain that we would not speak to the press about them in any way given I had my own privacy concerns and safety issues (replete with a stalker at the time).

I recall X being faintly obsessed with a very cute DC3 and he would hold him/her in the air and tickle him/her; it was very very sweet. I recall going to their house before all their stuff had been bought and as I passed the window to the main lounge, X & Y were sitting on the bare floor in front of the fireplace laughing, snugging up to each other, and eating sandwiches & crisps out of a Tesco bag.

In short, they were a lovely couple still faintly boggle-eyed at what was happening to them and were generally pretty lovely to be around.

We moved shortly after and did not maintain much contact but in 2003 X & I found ourselves involved in the promotion of the same charity (all premier team players have to participate in club charity dictated events). He was by now playing for England as well as a major figure in his club and he was a very very different guy to the one I had met 2 years earlier. He was cocky, arrogant, and sadly - and I witnessed this firsthand so can see what it does to their heads - almost every TOWIE type young woman within 100 yards wanted to talk him/curl up for a photo with him/press their numbers into his hand even though his relationship was pretty common knowledge.

One on one (though still in the same room as many other people) he was a lot more like his old self and he asked after DH and all DC, likewise I asked after Y even though she & I were in infrequent text contact (a fact he knew) and he seemed a bit calmer than the bloke on display. Or so I thought.

From that point on he rang/texted me increasingly frequently (he had my number from the charity call sheet) and went from initially friendly to outright disbelief that I didn't want to meet up with him whenever asked ("Going Chinawhite with the lads later gotta a VIP table wanna come? XXX")

I ended up blocking his number on my phone and just felt really really sad for the guy and girl that I'd first met and the entitled twat he had become; more so for her as she was soon to become his wife and I was in no doubt that her love for him was sincere and preceded his stardom by a good few years, IE she hadn't hunted him down to be a WAG.

Culminated in him tracking me down again (his call and name alone made my then agent's assistant simper and give out my other WHOLLY private number - something she would never ever have done for anyone else) whilst I was on vacation in Dubai and the calls and texts started again. All this IN SPITE OF THE FACT that he KNEW I knew his GF/DW; that he KNEW I was married with a family, a family he had spent time with. It was nuts, just nuts. Even more nuts given he could by now pretty much 'take his pick' of girls at any club he went to but somehow the fact I said no made him all the more determined.

This time he went way further. He correctly guessed which resort/hotel I was at in Dubai (ironically one chosen precisely for the reason he correctly guessed it, as it is a place that lots of well-known people go to - inc footballers and their families - and is shit hot on security/paps/other guests taking photos etc) and sent me flowers then champagne and bombarded me with calls and texts.

I was not exactly what you would call 'famous'. I was at least 10 years older than him. He knew I could blow the whistle on him at any point. But he still peristed as in his head he 'knew he could' IYKWIM.

Final point for me was when I was back in the UK and woke up to a text saying 'alright sexy, when r we fucking? xxxxxxx' [sic]

I rang the chairman of his club and was utterly clear that if X did not cease and desist then I would inform Y. That was what worked, the club was King and he listened to them when he wouldn't listen to me.

He has subsequently been one of the (many) players outed in the press for having extamarital affairs (quelle surprise...) and I can honestly say that by the end he bore NO resemblance to the person I first met.

As if to confirm his own concept of himself as God, he did then ring me once more a couple of years ago and behaved thus. I answered the phone and he said 'Hi Lamb it's XXXXXXXX' - I know maybe 10 people with that Christian name as it's a pretty common one (think 'Paul' as an eg although Paul was definitely not this guys name).

I had to ask 'sorry, XXXXX who?' and he was genuinely genuinely shocked that I needed to; ditto that I was pissed off that he had again rung me. I told him to fuck off.

It is horribly easy to see the change unfold. It is even worse that the then new 'them' is a beacon within their club to all the youth player etc. In this context I second the PP who said she has worked in footbal for 5 years and could easily believe the pretty vile reality.

So am I surprised that CE doesn't believe he raped someone? No, not remotelySadAngrySad

NOTE TO MN - I have changed sufficient detail and withheld all names precisely to avoid X & Y being in any way ID'd from my post; I have done that to ensure my post does not get deleted as it feels pretty important that the world these guys inhabit and the impact it has on them is heard.

Willferrellisactuallykindahot · 06/01/2015 12:56

Without commenting on the specifics of this case, it is common for those campaigning on behalf of someone convicted of a crime of which the campaigners believe they are innocent to set up a website in order to put the facts of the case (as they see them) on the web and garner support.

Support for what though? Only a court can find them guilty or innocent? And they haven't put 'facts' on there, they have put a very carefully sanitised version of events to suit their own agenda. And the CCTV footage was indeed 'edited' in so far as they chose not to put up other footage from the same night.

HouseWhereNobodyLives · 06/01/2015 13:04

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YonicSleighdriver · 06/01/2015 13:08

I believe the website says something like, "Ched was curious to see if he knew the girl so turned his cab round."

Now of course there's no external evidence as to his state of mind, but I can't help feeling that asking CM her name would've been the natural response to curiosity. Rather than tricking his way into the room and taking his penis out (was he unable to use his eyes to identify her?)

I'd therefore file this under "lie", personally.

YonicSleighdriver · 06/01/2015 13:09

PRH, do you think his lawyers will have advised him to leave it up or take it down?

iamtheeggman · 06/01/2015 13:15

Thanks all. We now have a number of lies/misrepresentations set out on here, which I think is helpful.

I for one agree that the only purpose of the website is to rehabilitate him as a footballer without him having to show contrition or remorse. Any appeal can only rest on an error of law or admissible new evidence. There is neither set out on the website. Logically, the purpose of the website must therefore be to convince people that, even though he is guilty, poor RCE should be allowed back into football without having to fess up to having done something wrong.

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