To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

I didn't say he doesn't have a right to return to work - I said he has no right to return to pro football. There is a difference.

He could get work tomorrow.

I don't see what the difference is? The head of the PFA has repeatedly said he has the right to go back to work playing football if he can find a club.

He could take is future fil's offer of a job tonight if he wanted to.

Why should be just step back into a privileged career? He hasn't served his sentence (it was 5yrs) he's still on licence, he's a sex offender, a convicted rapist.

The head of the PFA is the head his union. It's his job to get RCE playing football again!

The press are merely reporting the outrage manifested by the petitions. The petitions are only necessary because football club boards and team managers are too stupid to realise why people are so revolted at the prospect of him playing pro football again while he continues to maintain his innocence, not recognise that he did anyhow wrong and be complicit in the harassment of his victim.

Football is entertainment. Football revenues are from sponsorship, gate receipts, TV revenues, kit sales etc.

All of these rely upon the good opinion of the public.

If a club considers the loss of good public opinion outweighs the gain in talent/results of signing any given player, whether that's because of a serious conviction or maybe through racist behaviour in the past or whatever, then they will not sign him.

I wouldn't buy anything from Karl Massey and I will not buy anything from OA sponsors if they do sign him. Nor would I buy a Gary Glitter single or a Rolf Harris DVD.

Why is it wrong to say that, in your eyes?

"If he can find a club"

and that's it isn't it? Clubs are businesses and a good business thinks about its employees and its customer base. Neither of which are keen to have an unrepentant rapist on the staff.

lurker Evans himself said that going back into football would be a 'privilege an honour', and that is one of the few things he is right about. As a convicted rapist, he deserves neither of those things.

His FIL has already said that he will give him a job, why doesn't he just do that?

The head of the PFA also decided to opt out of the planned OA press conference.

What a circular argument it is to say that he is only on the receiving end of media attention etc because Football is a high profile career. Failing to understand that the very thing that people are objecting to is that he is trying to re-enter a high-profile, high-status (rightly or wrongly in our society) profession, and many feel he is not a fit and proper person to hold such a position. If he were applying for lower profile jobs (e.g. Joining his FIL's firm as he has been offered) there would be little public objection regardless of his previous career history

Off topic a bit, but Sexism at the PFA...who have just introduced Women's Player of the Year awards

In 1997 some Sheffield United players invited their agent, Rachel Anderson, to the annual awards dinner.[8] Anderson was turned away by then PFA Deputy Chief Executive Brendon Batson because she is a woman.[9]

The following year, when West Ham United F.C. player Julian Dicks invited Anderson to attend the dinner,[9] Anderson contacted the PFA to find out what their reaction would be.[8] On receiving a response that she would indeed be banned Anderson decided to go public and take the PFA to court.[9] As a result the Minister for Sport, Tony Banks, and the Chief Executive of The Football Association, Graham Kelly boycotted the event.[10]

Anderson won in court and the financial cost to the PFA was considerable, Anderson suggests “over £200,000”,[8] of which she received £7,500 for "hurt feelings" and an undisclosed amount for "reasonable costs".[9]

In 2013 the PFA instituted awards for the PFA Women's Players' Player of the Year. Kim Little was the recipient in the first year.[11]

Football is very influential in this country.

He has not shown remorse or understanding of his crime and has collaborated with the harassment of his victim.

Enmployment in professional football implies endorsement by the football industry.

Rape myths such as those published on his website and spread by his supporters put women at risk.

SHOUTS TO THE HARD OF HEARING & THE DENSE OF MIND

CE has NOT 'served his time'

REPEAT:

CE has NOT served his fucking time - which part of this simple fact is tricky for some to comprehend?

FFS.

"Auntie, I'm sure lots of rapists do get sacked but they don't have their pictures plastered all over the front pages every time they apply for a job."

I can't actually think of any other convicted rapists seeking this type of employment. I expect that any person heading for a high profile performance role would face similar revulsion and media reports of that revulsion. That is, perhaps, why most do not try.

It's really very simple. Convicted rapists are not wanted in roles whose holders are idolised by young people.

CE, a reasonably good tier 3 player now with an experience gap of some years, is not sufficiently talented to lose reputation for. It's that cynical. Even if exceptionally cheap. For even Hartlepool weren't that desperate when at the bottom of tier 4.

What your saying Sabrina is he's entitled to a job, just not playing football but that is his job. Yes he is under license but their is nothing within the terms of that license or in F.A rules preventing him from playing.

Nobody would suggest that the convicted rapist joe bloggs shouldn't be allowed to go back to driving a fork truck in a warehouse. I don't see why Evans should be treated differently.

Off to bed now. Not flouncing.

I need that wall back. How can such a thread get to 700 plus posts and still have 'served his time' being parroted?? And 'he has a right to be employed..'.

"The head of the PFA also decided to opt out of the planned OA press conference."

I noticed that. Hardly a ringing vote of confidence for the line of action then expected to be unveiled. It's possible they'll never disavow their earlier stance, but it looks as if PFA are gradually separating themselves from it.

but that is his job. no it's a job, and as such with the profile that job has he has deemed himself unfit to do it,due to his attitude to his conviction.

They certainly would mind convicted high profile rapist joe blogs being employed as a fork lift truck driver if his employment implied public endorsement by an establishment organisation of his actions, misguided views, victim harassment and dodgy but well publicised social media campaign.

It is likely that he would have been sacked for bringing the company into disrepute.

Have you been reading the posts at all, Lurker?

Professional football is a position of privilege, of influence, 'it is an honour' in CE's own words. It's not a 'job' - no more than being a popstar is a job. Would you expect Rolf Harris to appear on Strictly come Dancing when he comes out? Or Ian Watkins?

pan put it better than me. Thanks pan.

After you with the wall, pan.

I'll get the builders in to redo the redo on the repair on the wall.