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To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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floatyflo · 04/01/2015 18:48

Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

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SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 05/01/2015 23:13
lurkernowposter · 05/01/2015 23:16

Sabrina, I've read many posts although certainly not all. Sorry I still can't agree, I think it's unfair to prevent someone returning to work simply because some see his job as a privilege and the media are in a feeding frenzy.

Oldham are the fourth club he has been linked to and the hysterical reaction has been the same every time, it's in danger of becoming a witch hunt.

The last time a petition was being discussed on here I said all the same things and the response was pretty much the same and when I said I'd gladly sign a petition calling for tougher sentences for rapists I got sarcastic replies. Nobody was interested in that, that wasn't where that bandwagon was heading.

AliceLidl · 05/01/2015 23:19

"I don't see why Evans should be treated differently."

If you don't see it now, you never will, and probably don't want to.

Rapist Evans is not being treated differently because people don't want him to waltz back into his old job as though he had never raped that woman, never been convicted and never and spent half his time in prison.

Do you really thing Mr Nobody Joe Bloggs would walk back into his forklift truck job after serving two years in prison for rape? No, he wouldn't, he'd have been gone the moment the sentence was passed, if not sooner, and replaced without the batting of an eyelid by his employer.

Joe Bloggs' employer wouldn't have kept the position open for him for years, but SUFC did so for Evans, because that's where he was being treated differently to Joe Bloggs the forklift truck driver.

Not because people don't want him to walk back into his old job, but because he very nearly did just that and still might.

And that nearly happened, and still might happen, because of his fame, his apparent skill, his celebrity status, his belonging to the untouchable boys club of professional footballers. Those people seem to think it's fine for him to walk back into that position of privilege and his victim be damned. As long as he can kick a ball, who cares who he rapes in his spare time?

That's where people are trying to treat celebrity rapist Ched differently to average nobody Joe Bloggs.

But as I said, if you really can't see that, you never will. Because you just don't want to.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 05/01/2015 23:19

Really? I never saw that thread so can't comment.

What are you saying? We have some vendetta personally against poor Ched?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 05/01/2015 23:20

Last was to Lurker

VikingVolva · 05/01/2015 23:24

I don't see it as in danger of becoming a witch hunt.

It is the restatement of a consistent position, and it will be restated as often as it is needed.

It is not something done once to purge sentiment.

clam · 05/01/2015 23:24

I too am getting incredibly frustrated with the number of people on here and elsewhere who keep bleating, "but he's served his time."

Snapespotions · 05/01/2015 23:26

A little late, but I have signed the petition.

Ched Evans deserves the right to earn a living, but as a convicted rapist who has shown no remorse for his actions to date, he should not be allowed to pursue a career in which he might be seen as a role model for young people.

Good on Mecca Bingo and Verlin Rainwater Solutions for saying that they will withdraw their support if CE gets a contract. Shame on Sports Direct for failing to do likewise. Let's hope that lots of people boycott them if a deal is done.

merrymouse · 05/01/2015 23:29

This is not a media feeding frenzy.

It is People finding his actions and lack of contrition repugnant.

The misunderstood naive wrongly accused young footballer act might have worked without the website and twitter campaign.

However, at this point, even if he were somehow granted a new trial and somehow found not guilty of rape (under influence of aliens maybe?) his actions would still be repugnant and his treatment of the victim damning.

lurkernowposter · 05/01/2015 23:30

I do see it I just don't agree that someone should be treated differently because they happen to play football for a living, a job seen as highly paid and privileged and his supposed 'celebrity status'.

clam · 05/01/2015 23:31

Re: this all becoming a witch-hunt; people made their feelings very plain about CE being signed up to play high-profile football the first time the idea was floated. Sheffield finally got the message and changed their minds. A foreign team offered to sign him, and the MoJ pointed out that it is against the law for him to travel abroad, but somehow that small fact got over-looked and it was put down to the "baying mob ruining his life."
And now Oldham have reneged on their previous position of not signing him, and are reconsidering. Why is it a witch-hunt for people to have to re-state their objections? If they objected before, why is it unreasonable for them still to feel so strongly about it? These football clubs are just hoping people will forget about it, and they can then sneak him in through the back door. However, people with morals and principles will not forget about it.

clam · 05/01/2015 23:35

How is he being treated differently, lurker? The "no going abroad" rule is the same for all convicted criminals out on licence. Many other professions would point-blank refuse to employ such people on release. He's being treated exactly the same as others, despite his 'celebrity' status (much as it pains me to write that).

clam · 05/01/2015 23:35

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lurkernowposter · 05/01/2015 23:36

Merry mouse, those involved in harassment of his victim deserve to be locked up for a very long time and rapists even longer.

If you don't think there's a feeding frenzy by the media you didn't just see photographers poking their lenses through hedges in the hope of getting a photo of Evans on the news. They didn't get any pictures, he wasn't there. But it makes a great story anyway.

Blistory · 05/01/2015 23:37

I don't think it's a witch hunt either. In fact, I find it heartening that so any people are speaking out against rape and the attitudes towards the victims of rape.

The unfairness is not in the way that CE is being treated, it's in the way that so many rapists are not being treated. If you show such blatant disregard for women, if you violate their physical integrity, if you refuse to acknowledge your crime, then you don't deserve to be feted by society whether you're a bin man, CE or a film director.

He has his freedom albeit under license. Nothing else is owed to him and if he wants more, he needs to earn it.

clam · 05/01/2015 23:37

I saw two photographers. Hardly a "feeding frenzy."

clam · 05/01/2015 23:38

Anyone heard anything from the Evans camp since all this latest stuff has erupted?

CantBeBotheredThinking · 05/01/2015 23:39

Lurker you are right Rce shouldn't be treated any different to any other convicted rapist on release so that means no foreign travel and if very lucky a nmw job on a zero hours contract because that is the best any other convicted rapist could hope for.

lurkernowposter · 05/01/2015 23:44

Clam, yes others would point blank refuse to employ a rapist, the difference is every time anyone has shown the slightest interest in employing Evans it's been splashed all over the papers on the TV and there's been petitions to stop him being employed. Other rapists don't face that kind of opposition, that's how he is being treated differently.

Evans played for Sheffield United in league one, I think his 'celebrity' status is being a bit over played. I'm a football fan but I'd never heard of him until he got arrested.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 05/01/2015 23:49

No, he's not being treated 'differently' it so happens that people in the public eye, including pro footballers, will be featured in the media more than, say, "Joe Bloggs", General Sales Manager from Swindon. That media interest in itself, doesn't, however, feature in whether they are suitable to walk back into their previous profession.

He is not being 'punished twice' -no more than any other professional who has convicted of rape is being punished twice when he is unable to return to his profession. Some professions are unsuitable for those who are on the sex offenders register.

He's actually got a lot more going for him than a lot of convicted sex offenders. He has a home, a firm job offer, a fiance, mother, brother, sister, friends standing by him. He's even been given the opportunity of airing his little statements in the media, protesting his innocence. He's also had 2 leave to appeals, and now a fast tracked Case Review.

merrymouse · 06/01/2015 00:03

Other rapists don't tend to have high profile victim shaming websites.

LuluJakey1 · 06/01/2015 00:43

No he is not being punished twice or treated differently to many other professions.

I am a teacher and a teacher would never be allowed to teach again- quite rightly - if they were convicted of rape or were any kind of sex offender.

Why should he be put back in a position of privilege and where he is idolised and hero- worshipped by young men in particular. They copy ever aspect of footballer's behaviours.

We have 3 ex- students who have become professional footballers with varying degrees of success. Each of them has been signed onto the youth books of clubs and become arrogant, sneering and disrespectful of women while they were still at school, lied, expected to get away with anything they chose to do and traeted anyone who stood in their way as rubbish- particularly if that person was female.
Each club , when they signed them up, went through a farce of asking the school to sign the document too and promised they would support us to make sure they were excellent role models, asked us to contact them if the boy did not get things right in terms of behaviour or academic effort, told us they would get a warning and then would be off their books if they did not do the right thing. It never happened. They never supported us with any of them. 3 professional football clubs who were not prepared to take any of their promised action to support us- two are premier league and one is First Division.

Interestingly, the biggest liar and nastiest of the boys is the only one still playing - in the premier league. He lied about assaulting his girlfriend - he smashed an egg off her head and punched her in the face at lunchtime. She ran back to school sobbing, covered in raw egg and with a bruised face. We know he did it as he was seen by his mother who told us and then changed her story when we called the police and he threatened her.

None of them worked academically once they were signed onto the clubs' books - and the clubs didn't give a toss as lng as the football was up to it. These boys just believe they will be the next David Beckham or whoever. But when the clubs dumped the other two once they didn't hack it with football standards, there was no support for them then from the club either. They were just turned out and returned to the north- east with nothing and no qualifications.

Football clubs are about money. If they can make money from a player they couldn't care less about morality or the players' behaviour. Once they can't make money from them they dump them. Rapists, drunken drivers who kill pedestrians, shoplifters, serial adulterers, men who beat women- none of it will stop a club signing a player if they think they can earn money from them. Oldham already have a player found guilty of death by dangerous driving. Another club is owned by a convicted rapist and his son - can't remember which club.

As a society, we have created the monster of the professional football club. The shame is on us as well as them. Those Oldham fans complaining now- how many will protest by getting rid of their season ticket if he is signed? Very few. They will go to the matches and cheer him on and off the pitch and every time he touches the ball. It is shamful what we allow in the name of professional football.

Gordon Taylor of the PFA says 'He wants to play football again' as if that means he should get what he wants. What Gordon Taylor should be saying is ' There is no room for rapists and criminals in the world of professional football. It is a privilege to be a role model and part of a professional football team and we are only accepting those players who set themselves the highest standards.' What he actually says- although not in these words is 'Do what you like lads. If we can earn money from you, we'll have you. We don't care if you rape or assault women'.

Shame, shame, shame on him, on Ched Evans and on Oldham.

YonicSleighdriver · 06/01/2015 05:50

Good post lulu.

SomebodysRealName · 06/01/2015 06:49

Great post Lulu.