To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

Lurker - each of your points has already been comprehensively rebutted. RTFT

Has it eggman. Could you please provide examples of where other convicted rapists have been treated the same to prove he isn't being treated differently to anyone else?

He's not being harassed by the media. They are reporting the public revulsion, nit creating or stoking it.

CE would be receiving special treatment if he were guaranteed a post in a specific line of work after a serious conviction. That doors close to you when you have a criminal conviction is not the exception, it's the norm.

And that applies to all sorts of employers. There is no law that prevents a refusal to employ because of a criminal record, and it happens to so many people. It's not extra punishment, it's standard practice.

"Just harassment from the media which others just as guilty as him don't have to face."

Max Clifford, Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter et al face it.

Of course people without media profiles are treated differently by the media, what's your point?

"CE would be receiving special treatment if he were guaranteed a post in a specific line of work after a serious conviction. That doors close to you when you have a criminal conviction is not the exception, it's the norm.

And that applies to all sorts of employers. There is no law that prevents a refusal to employ because of a criminal record, and it happens to so many people. It's not extra punishment, it's standard practice"

Completely agree

CE used his status as a footballer to claim his innocence in his police statement.

He has used his status as a footballer as the reason why he was discriminated against.

His friends and family have used his status as a footballer to intimidate and harass his victim.

His status as a footballer seems to have reinforced his notion that women are a commodity, his for the taking.

I have no problem with his status as a footballer being taken from him given the damage it appears to have caused.

"I don't think there is irony - if you are too drunk to judge whether your partner has agreed to have sex, don't have sex. If drinking puts you at risk of breaking the law, don't drink"

YY to this

lurker If you google "rapist sacked" you'll find plenty of examples.

"Many employers will have a box to tick on a job application relating to criminal record. andany employer can do a basic criminal records check where the four year or more sentence would show up. They then legally have the right to refuse a person."

From a BBC article.

CE's sentence was five years, so it is never spent as far as DBS checks are concerned.

Yonic, "Of course people without media profiles are treated differently by the media, what's your point?"

So you admit Evans is being treated differently? Are you suggesting people with a media profile, however small before his conviction, aren't entitled to rehabilitation and to be allowed to get on with their lives and gain employment?

Unless there’s specific need to check someone’s criminal record for a job, it’s against the law for employers to refuse to employ them because of spent convictions. Specific need would be for jobs dealing with children or vulnerable adults.

^but rape is a conviction that is never spent

Auntie, I'm sure lots of rapists do get sacked but they don't have their pictures plastered all over the front pages every time they apply for a job.

Lurker - Mike Tyson is a classic example. He has been barred from even entering this country because of his conviction for rape.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/10/mike-tyson-banned-uk-rape-conviction

sure, katty, but sentences of four or more years are never spent.

lurker - yes, he is being treated differently be the media in that the media report on him; just as kim kardashian going to the shops in a tracksuit is treated differently by the media to me doing the same.

your second point has come from your head.

I've signed this petition, as I signed the last one.

Just seen on the news that Oldham haven't ruled out signing him and, according to the reporter this means "he must be the closest he has ever been to resuming his controversial career."

x post with your second post, katty

Yes sorry yonic, I added that afterwards. It's from the rehabilitation of offenders act btw

X again!

No Yonic, my second point was a question which you failed to answer.

Wasn't Ched Evans put on the sex offenders for life? 10 years? I can't remember which was CE and which was my former "friend".

But, Lurker, there are plenty of examples of convicted rapists being unable to walk back into their former line of work. I gave one, who I know personally. Other posters have given others, who are in the public eye.

There is no reason that a pro footballer has a right to return to his former job/club when on the sex offenders register. Even CE himself refers to it as a 'privilege' and acknowledges he has no right to return to it (although I doubt those are his real feelings - I suspect he was just eating a bit of humble pie).

I am just genuinely astonished that another football team would consider employing him, after all the controversy and public anger over his original team's proposal to take him back.

It was clearly going to happen again for any other team, so why have they been so stupid as to bring that down on their heads?

And Mike Tyson.

I looked up the details of his case when his name was brought up on one of the other threads about rapist Ched Evans, and found a YouTube video from 2013 harassing the woman he raped and calling her a liar and worse.

All these years later, that woman is still not being allowed to live in peace.

Which is why rapists like Tyson and Evans shouldn't be allowed to resume high profile careers where they remain hero worshipped. Because I believe that is why Tyson's victim is still the subject of hateful videos and why Evans victim won't be left alone by his football/rape supporter fans.

And that's why I signed the petition.

Evans is in an enviable position, he has his girlfriend's millionaire father prepared to employ him, and I doubt he will be paid in peanuts. He can walk into a new career right this minute. And I think he was reported as training for a new career in prison while he was serving the first half of his sentence for rape.

It's not about stopping him from working. But he should not be going back to his previous career because like it or not, it is a high profile one that puts him in the position of role model/hero to many people (and many of them old enough to know better than to put a rapist above his victim, but who still apparently don't get it).

"I'm sure lots of rapists do get sacked but they don't have their pictures plastered all over the front pages every time they apply for a job."

Doesn't mean the employer doesn't ask and/or google - local news at least usually covers rape convictions. And they can do a check anyway, on which they may well base a decision. Ched's rape conviction impairs him getting the job he wants; unfamous rapist is also impaired by his conviction in getting the job he wants.

I'm not seeing the difference that you are in "treatment", only in media coverage.

I disagree Sabrina, he does have the right to return to work assuming he can find an employer but I think press coverage and petitions are making that impossible. Others don't face such opposition and that seems unfair to me.