To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

In are you naming who these other people/sports people are?

People can find all sorts of reasons for not doing things, ime.

can you name these people In?

I asked a question 'do you know how many professional sportspeople have serious convictions?'. I didn't say that I knew the answer.
I do know that Joey Barton went to prison for assault and affray and returned to top flight football and Lee hughes was given a six year sentence for death by dangerous driving and was signed by (perhaps not surprisingly), Oldham Athletic upon his release and had quite a few years playing football between several clubs (don't know if he still is).
My husband could probably name quite a few footballers convicted of serious offences who played after release from prison but he has gone out so I can't ask him at the moment, he did name some to me but I really didn't pay much attention to him.
I can think of other less serious convictions where people continued to play after conviction and it still shocks me that Jermaine Penant was allowed to play whilst wearing an electronic tag (can't remember what crime he committed but I'm sure a lot less serious than Evans).

The first I even heard of this guy was when he was released. I havent seen any reports ofvthe evidence in the case but presume that only him and the girl were present.

Firstly, and most importantly, I am absolutely not saying his verdict was correct or not. However, a conviction does not always mean guilt, ie stefan kiszko served 16 years for the rape and murder of a child until evidence arose to prove his complete innocence.

"Lack or remorse" if you are insisting you are innocent your not going to be remorseful are you? The people identifying the girl are shameful however imo but who knows what steps any of us would go to if we, or one of our loved ones were acused of a crime.

As I said I am in no way saying I am an expert just expressing my view.

Can you link a petition or any other initiative that calls for that?

I don't know if there is one. I haven't heard that there is one. I am not about to set one up.

Lee Hughes expressed sincere remorse.

Doesn't make it okay in my opinion. Nor would it make it ok for evans if he had expressed sincere remorse (obv he can't do that now as it wouldn't be sincere).
It's not okay to kill people through dangerous driving and just return to normal because you feel sorry about what you have done.

" I havent seen any reports ofvthe evidence in the case but presume that only him and the girl were present. "

Nope. His friend was also present and his brother and other friends were trying to film the rape through the window.

Housewherenobodylives perhaps read my post? I did not imply he was innocent at any point in fact stated "I am not saying his conviction wasnt correct" merely saying a conviction can in some cases happen the one I quoted is hardly an isolated incident Again I repeat! I am not saying this was the case here.

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I think it was more exasperation (where's that wall with the head-shaped hole?) that has arisen because of the number of posters who start by stating something utterly inaccurate about the case (in your post that CE and complainant were ever alone together; they weren't). It makes a big difference to whether a comparison is valid.

Yonicsleighdriver, thankyou for the information. I am grateful. I did say in myinitial post I wasnt saying the verdict was incorrect. Most of the posts I have seen merely stated "hes a convicted rapist". As I also pointed out the girls treatment is beyond the pale.

Most people who are released from prison are not rehabilitated or remorseful which is part of he reason why reoffending rates are so incredibly high.
I don't know anything about his involvement in hounding the victims family and I had presumed (maybe wrongly) that those were the actions of his misguided supporters. I would have thought that if CE was involved in hounding his victim then he would have been hauled back to prison for breach of ail conditions and to serve the rest of his sentence (I'm presuming he is on parole and that is why he cannot go to play in Malta). If he is hounding his victim and getting away with it then we have serious questions to ask about the probation service and the CJS.

Yes icimoi there are many professions where the law says the person cannot return to work after a criminal conviction (even when DBS checks are not a requirement). But the law still says those people cannot work in that profession.

Not so, Inthedark. There is nothing in the law that says people convicted of certain offences are automatically debarred from continuing to practise as a lawyer, for instance: it's a matter for the Law Society or the Bar Council in each case. I know of someone who was convicted of fare dodging as a student but was allowed to be called to the Bar despite the fact that dishonesty is normally an absolute no-no. He subsequently became a QC and a judge.

There are many, many occupations where there is nothing in the law that specifically prevents a convicted person from doing that job but where any sensible employer would refuse to employ someone convicted of a serious offence who is not fully rehabilitated.

Is the website his? Is it run by or contributed to by him? Has he said anything about his website to support it? If the answer to any of those questions is yes then he should be returned to prison to serve the remainder of his sentence. That is my point.

The he should be returned to prison house. Surely his parole conditions should be preventing him from doing that? We should be asking why our CJS has allowed him to do that and has not returned him to prison for breach of parole conditions. I can't imagine his parole conditions allow him to behave in a way that has a direct negative impact on the victim.

I just wish the media would stop reporting anything on this case for the girls sake. I'm sure she wants the media to just leave it alone so that people will stop talking about it and hopefully her harassment will come to an end.

The harassment comes from CE's supporters and will presumably continue until they get bored with it, irrespective of media attention. I guess they would say it will stop if his conviction gets overturned, but given that he has been turned down for appeal twice and does not currently have any live appeal going, that isn't looking too likely.

Most people who are released from prison are not rehabilitated or remorseful which is part of he reason why reoffending rates are so incredibly high. Most people leaving prison have been there for days or weeks, not 2 and a half years, not for a rape offence and not in a high profile job as a professional footballer.

The scandalous use of short term imprisonment in this country is a ripe discussion point, though.

It has to be the case that what he is doing does not breach parole conditions, because with such a high profile case you can bet that the MoJ would have taken action before now if he were in breach.