In not being all humble and respectful and all that.(abortion related)

[IdontusuallyNC]

I have had the contraceptive injection twice now obviously I had it done on time and followed all instructions given to me I also usually use condoms I have 3 occasions where condom use has not been optimum all in the same weekend.

I have recently to my horror discovered that I am pregnant, POAS because I feel like crap and it felt like HG not expecting it to be the case but these things happen. Due to the amount of children I have one being tiny the nature of the relationship with my sexual partner and a quite serious history of HG and SPD(all but 1 previous pregnancy) I have booked in to have a TOP on Tuesday.

I'm quite comfortable with my decision and in general tend to be quite matter of fact about things.

My closest friend has gone very weird on me I declined an invitation for Tuesday from her and disclosed why. Ever since she has been upset because I'm not being sad enough she feels I'm being flippant about human life and not respectful.

I'm not entirely sure what she means by this and she has tried to be sympathetic not that it is needed but has mentioned this on a few occasions.

So am I meant to be sad and stuff or is it acceptable to feel positive towards the decision?

Be blasé, be shirty, be truculent, be proud! Don't be bullied.

This how abortion rights are being rolled back in the USA. First women had to be sorry and po faced about the whole thing. Now that there is social agreement that abortion is a very serious and grave decision , law makers in many states are easily putting limits on the right to abortion through state legislatures. This disproportionately hurts poor women, of course. Now that abortions are hard to come by, different forms of contraception are being "debated."

It's vile.

bloody - moronic? Really?!

itsbloosyfreezing - perhaps you could do a ring round of hospitals and clinics and offer to take in the unwanted babies, life limiting disabilities and all? How many do you think you can manage?

Less than one percent of abortions are carried out over 20 weeks. Many of those are due to things found out at the 20 week scan. Some are because abused women have finally got the courage together to proceed with abortion. From list of reasons I read a while ago many were young girls who thought they were much less far along than they were.

^^yy to the above
It's a slippery slope and the natural conclusion is that a dying woman is denied an abortion that could have saved her life

I meant you to Onetoomsny's post

I know that I could not have an abortion myself whatever the circumstances. I think I'd rather go through with a pregnancy and put a child up for adoption than abort so I can understand how your friend feels tbh

Its not quite that simple. Would you actively chose to risk organ failure?

I have no objection to having further children,I'm very fond of children if I did not have the issues I currently do my decision would be very different if I was in a committed relationship and had obtained prior medical support and planned to get pregnant then my decision would also be different but I'm not so its not.

My friend defines herself as pro choice

IdontusuallyNC- that is terrible and I'm sorry you're having such a rough time of it! Sounds miserable.

I would never, ever want to have an abortion that was not for medical reasons though I can see situations where I might (rape etc). I also would never, ever judge another woman for wanting one, nor for feeling whatever she might feel about it. On the other hand, I agree also with a previous poster who said that I probably wouldn't be broadcasting it if I didn't even require support, anymore than I wouldn't have talked about thrush in pregnancy or anything in that vein. It's too sensitive, intimate and political to talk about needlessly.

Solid is not, as I read it, encouraging infanticide.

She is saying the mother has more importance than the foetus.

Re putting children up for adoption.

I was once in this position and believe me given the choice again I would terminate in a heartbeat.

Would you consider telling your closest friend who professes to be pro choice as broadcasting?

Just been doing some fact checking and its 22 weeks not 20 as I said - 1% of Abortions happen after 22 weeks

Idont no I would probably also tell a close friend in your circumstances. And I would not expect judgement from them.

Radio I am not referring to terminations over twenty weeks for disabilities. I am talking about the terminations up to the point of birth that would exist in Solids crazy pro choice utopia where nothing, nothing matters but the woman's rights and a healthy baby at term can be killed because his mother changed her mind at the last minute. That to me is as repellent and sickening a situation as the one in NI. That doesn't make me anti women but pro human and I can't believe there are many people out there beyond the most extreme feminists who support termination at the very late stages of pregnancy.

"This doesn't make me anti women but pro human"

Supporting forced pregnancy and birth makes you anti woman.

idont

I wouldn't be able to put up a child for adoption. Carrying it, bonding with it. Then giving it up knowing I might be able to make a space for it. Having its siblings but not keeping him/her. Knowing it's in the world away from me. Possibly suffering.

The guilt and pain would kill me. I would rather terminate early than bring it into the world and let it go.

Sorry that was in relation to tartanscarf re adoption.

You can already abort up to 40 weeks itsbloodyfreezing. There are rules and regs around it of course.

You're entitled to feel how you want, as is your friend. You can't make her feel the way you do just as she can't make you feel the way she does. She's not discouraging you from having it and you've said she's tried to be sympathetic so I don't think there's anything wrong with her having a different opinion.

As for the poster who said that abortion should be available on request up until birth, I think that is extreme and unnecessary and I agree with the poster who said it, sickening.

My step daughter lost her baby at 27 weeks and was obviously devastated and its something she will never get over. I would say that having an abortion is not something that anyone can take lightly and be matter of fact about.

Not the same thing. Of course losing a much wanted pregnancy must be devastating. Ending a not wanted one shouldn't be.

Law www.abortionrights.org.uk/index.php/media-and-resource-centre/abortion-law/276

I haven't read the whole thread.

All I can say is I knew the decision I made was the right one. Was I doing cartwheels feeling empowered? No, I was gutted I had found myself in the position. I was treated appallingly by one nurse I encountered who was a vile judgemental bitch!

Look, everybody knows that abortion is best done quickly. In fact it's better when it isn't done at all.

No one hangs about and thinks "oh well, I will wait until 22 weeks, 26 weeks, 32 weeks." Of course they don't! SGB is advocating an attitude - that you have the ultimate right to decide what you do with your body.

Not sure how I feel about it but I understand where she is coming from.

I've been thinking about this and just wanted to reassure those on this thread that although I was smiling when I woke up after my termination, so unfortunately did not suffer any psychological pain, I did suffer some very painful cramping for about 24 hours afterwards.

I don't think it makes you anti-women at all to feel like that about late stage terminations itsbloodyfreezing. I think most people would agree with you.