In not being all humble and respectful and all that.(abortion related)

[IdontusuallyNC]

I have had the contraceptive injection twice now obviously I had it done on time and followed all instructions given to me I also usually use condoms I have 3 occasions where condom use has not been optimum all in the same weekend.

I have recently to my horror discovered that I am pregnant, POAS because I feel like crap and it felt like HG not expecting it to be the case but these things happen. Due to the amount of children I have one being tiny the nature of the relationship with my sexual partner and a quite serious history of HG and SPD(all but 1 previous pregnancy) I have booked in to have a TOP on Tuesday.

I'm quite comfortable with my decision and in general tend to be quite matter of fact about things.

My closest friend has gone very weird on me I declined an invitation for Tuesday from her and disclosed why. Ever since she has been upset because I'm not being sad enough she feels I'm being flippant about human life and not respectful.

I'm not entirely sure what she means by this and she has tried to be sympathetic not that it is needed but has mentioned this on a few occasions.

So am I meant to be sad and stuff or is it acceptable to feel positive towards the decision?

Mrshumpty There is no concensus that foetal perception of pain after 24 weeks is what we, as fully developed animals, would consider to be pain. Nerves are not fully myleinated evena t birth. The words like "probably" and "difficult to define" generally apply much more to perception of pain after 24 weeks gestation.

Fucking hell.

Feminists are mad baby-killing harridans?

Sometimes I have to question how people who can't even understand that pro-choice =/= pro abortion, actually manage to turn their computer on to type out that kind of message.

Gallic

Ok in who said that, certainly not me!! :-)

I've not long arrived back home.

After I arrived at the clinic I had to have consults with 2 different members of staff both discussing options after I provided written confirmation from my consultant confirming severity of HG those options switched from "are you sure you want to do this" very quickly to "procedure options".

I then saw a nurse who took a medical history and a few other basic medical tests. Straight after that I saw a doctor who due to my medical history spoke to my consultant on the phone.(with my consent)

They felt and after discussion with me I agreed that a surgical TOP under GA was the safest method. So that's what I ended up having.

Then I went into a room where I met the doctor doing the actual procedure and the anaesthetist due to the HG I had additional meds and after the procedure was kept in recovery for longer.

Almost every single staff member I came into contact with checked in different ways that I was not being coerced and was not at risk of DA.

I am totally satisfied that the two legally required doctors did not just sign a form without reading it. Every single staff member I came into contact with behaved with compassion and professionalism.at no time was I treated negatively or without dignity.

Before I left 2 different staff members made sure I had and understood the after care information and the contact numbers in case I need support.

All told it was nothing like a conveyer belt experience I was expecting after reading a pp's post.it also was not traumatic.

Being born us not the same as being terminated/ killed though is it. That's why we don't anaesthetise babies being born

I'm so pleased it went well. Take care of yourself.

MrsH, I'd suggest reading this document from the RCOG on the subject of foetal pain, analgesia and maternal anaesthesia - chapter 3 is the most relevant to this discussion, but the earlier consideration of foetal analgesia for procedures is also very interesting.

I'm so glad to hear that it went well and that you were treated respectfully at each stage.

has the HG gone??

Best wishes Idontusually

-Meerka

Idont, great news. Really glad it went smoothly.

Idont, thank you for the update! Welcome home I'm so pleased you were treated kindly & competently, as you deserved.

Take care of yourself after a hefty shock to your system, and I really hope the HG buggers off sharpish.

Being born us not the same as being terminated/ killed though is it. That's why we don't anaesthetise babies being born.

Ach, no, that's illogical too. Either you care about foetal pain and distress, or you don't. There is significantly more evidence that vaginal birth causes stress to the baby being born than of any idea of foetal pain earlier in pregnancy.

OP. I'm so glad it went well. Look after yourself and make sure you rest.

MrsH, if you're determined to believe foetuses have fully-functioning pain awareness, you can't possibly imagine they feel no pain while being forcibly squeezed through a very small tunnel. And that's ignoring use of forceps, suction, being grabbed & pulled by hands, etc. Make your mind up.

It was many pictures of Babyborn dolls, I had one in the house, the soaps used to use Baby Annabels crying, which also made me laugh.

Whilst I can never understand an anti choicer, I could at least take them seriously if they didn't lie.

That's good news Idon't. So glad it went so well.

I would imagine we don't anaesthetise babies during live births because it would cause risks to the baby.

Idont I'm glad it went well. Hope you recover quickly!

My aborted feotus felt less pain than my 13yr old one who is very much loved and cherished, still was yanked out with a giant sink plunger though.

Why has lots of research gone into feotus pain btw, when we are talking abortion?

would that just be something else to beat women with?

Idont, I am so glad you felt well looked after and that you sound well just now.

What your describing is more like the (professional) experience I have of women requiring TOP for whatever reason.

I hope you recover quickly

I'm glad it want ok Idont. A GA can hit you like a truck the next day, so take it easy tomorrow x

I'm expecting the more obvious symptoms of the HG to gradually go over the next few days. Longer term I will need to have some dental work done and I'm currently debating if I need actual treatment for the ulcers and sores in and around my mouth or if they will sort themselves out.

What an interesting report, Jassy. Thanks.

Glad the procedure went well Idont

Have you had any contact from your friend?

The report that Jassy linked to is very clear that there is no evidence to show that foetuses feel pain before 24 weeks, and that if the termination is done under GA, this would be transferred to the foetus anyway, although it says there is no necessity to consider pain relief to the foetus. In termination after 24 weeks, it says the foetal heart is injected with something that kills it within 5 -10 seconds.

Glad it went well and you were treated with kindness OP. I really hope your HG symptoms clear up as soon as possible. x