In not being all humble and respectful and all that.(abortion related)

[IdontusuallyNC]

I have had the contraceptive injection twice now obviously I had it done on time and followed all instructions given to me I also usually use condoms I have 3 occasions where condom use has not been optimum all in the same weekend.

I have recently to my horror discovered that I am pregnant, POAS because I feel like crap and it felt like HG not expecting it to be the case but these things happen. Due to the amount of children I have one being tiny the nature of the relationship with my sexual partner and a quite serious history of HG and SPD(all but 1 previous pregnancy) I have booked in to have a TOP on Tuesday.

I'm quite comfortable with my decision and in general tend to be quite matter of fact about things.

My closest friend has gone very weird on me I declined an invitation for Tuesday from her and disclosed why. Ever since she has been upset because I'm not being sad enough she feels I'm being flippant about human life and not respectful.

I'm not entirely sure what she means by this and she has tried to be sympathetic not that it is needed but has mentioned this on a few occasions.

So am I meant to be sad and stuff or is it acceptable to feel positive towards the decision?

Dinosaur - that isn't a good reason.

In fact, the opposite can be true

Women could be abused into keeping a baby they don't want - that's not an argument to ban birth

Crikey o reilly

I don't - my above rant is certainly not directed at you. I would make exactly the same decision as you and wish you well. I supported a mate through a TOP who felt exactly the same as you, and i can well understand the feelings.

Only ranting at those who have come along and said that anyone that doesn't agree with abortion to term is a thickie!

Apologies for ranting in your thread. I haven't learnt flowers yet, but if I had, you would get some.

Nutella - I hate to break it to you but you are in fact a cluster of cells.

Annunziata you are entitled to your beliefs though I would respectfully ask you to be aware that the language you use can be offensive to others who don't hold the same beliefs. I don't feel such language is appropriate in this debate.

Yes, I am aware of that and I am sorry that I got emotional earlier on. But why don't people understand that some of the language from the people on the other side is upsetting too?

People are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours, SolidGoldBrass, but I'm a big girl, I can take your angry, spit-filled insults. You sound like a very aggressive, hate-filled person. That is something I am not. I am not in the business of attacking others, as you seem to be.
So, I will retreat from this thread. But before I go I will say that I hope one day we can air our own thoughts, opinions, beliefs here without being hauled over the coals for it.

Dinosaur - is [ flowers ] but no spaces I think

Fuck.

It's on the app though!

annun
What about the life of the Op? Is that precious and sacred? She is facing a life-threatening situation. Should she die?

Well, you are killing your unborn child, i would be pretty disgusted if i had a friend who was as flippant about it as you

Where exactly have I been flippant?

I have been pragmatic and made a responsible decision based on my health and the well being of my actual children.

I took reasonable steps to prevent conception and within 30 minutes of finding out about the failure (testing because I was and still am exhibiting symptoms of HG) took steps to rectify it responsibly as quickly as possible this being Tuesday coming.

Just because I'm not weeping and wailing and being dramatic about it all like you appear to think I should be.

Ask yourself this if you could chose not to become so incapacitated that you risk death due to organ failure or oesophagus rupture would you feel the need to punish yourself because of that? Well I don't.

Its not a cluster of cells either,google it if you must!

Having had previous pregnancies and scans I know exactly what the contents of my uterus look like I also know that we are not talking about an actual baby, assuming (due to the injection causing weird bleeding) I'm correct on dates we are not even close to talking about an actual baby.

And no I don't need to google why do I need to view a series of pro life images of minute reborn dolls intentionally published to be emotive?

Ah, the old 'you're an angry angry person' statement, always good for those attempting to shut down another poster.

Leo Start your own thread about it, and you can air whatever opinion you like.

Annun has been asked that before and she has chosen not to answer

Because she has no answer

Because actually I don't think she'd like the op to die or be ill for the sake of a fetus

She just doesn't mind her feeling bad about it all.

If Annun used logic and reasoning she wouldn't say anything that she's saying

Radio - and they frequently are abused into having babies. That isn't ever realistically going to change. But currently, women are protected from abuse the other way around. You want to change that? Okaaaay! There will be more abused women forced to end pregnancies for revenge at a late stage than there will ever be women who just change their minds for non-medical reasons. Didn't solid say less than 1% it would apply to? Watch that figure rise due to DV forced late term abortion if the law ever changed. Still, we could change the law so women have complete bodily autonomy and could have on-demand abortion to term, cos her body is always her own in an abusive relationship isn't it?

Idon't - I wish you well, and hope everything goes as smoothly as possible. If your mate can't get over herself then she needs to butt out, this is you, not her.

for the OP

Of course the OP needs to live, but I don't understand how she can be so matter of fact about the side effects of this, which is the point of the thread.

I see a few of the extremists are around

Op your friend sounds a little strange she can feel whatever she likes and so can you!
Best of luck on tuesday

With regards to Ireland's laws I'm Irish and unfortunately I have had a pregnancy incompatible with life. I was 20 weeks pregnant, I had known early that there was a problem and found out at 16 weeks that the amniotic fluid was gone and that my baby was in agonising pain as his limbs were turning in on themselves as he shrivelled. I had to live with this knowledge for four weeks while trying to take care of my two year old dd and hold down a job.
My doctors told me "nothing we can do its against the law to intervene until the foetus heart has stopped beating"
I had booked an appoint to UK when at my next hospital appoint I was told the heart had stopped. I was relieved and I actually cried with relief. I didn't have to travel and my baby was no longer in pain.

I must be a horrible monster but no it's actually Irish law

op, you do what you need to do

any emotional consequence of that is entirely your own business

thank god we live in a country that still allows women to have autonomy over their own bodies

Lucy my god, you poor thing

Lucy I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

I feel like I should post this link abortion support network. For Irish/northern irish women that need assistance to access a safe, legal abortion.

Lucy

Lucy so sorry

Lucy & Idont

That's horrendous lucy really horrendous

Dinosaur, just answering your 'psychopath' post before catching up. Do women who fancy a late-term abortion for the laugh make wonderful parents? Or even safe ones?

"what I am fine with is having a TOP and removing a cluster of cells that are rather more than parasitic and have the potential to leave my actual children without a mother."

I NEED a 'round of applause' emoticon for that!

good luck with your TOP. I hope you are as relieved as i was when i needed mine many years ago. xx