To ask if anyone is setting up a fb page to discuss Tricky Dicky?

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It seems we are not allowed to speak about anything negative elsewhere. Please do not speak badly of Tricky Dicky and co.

Ugh, this thread, and your FaceBook group, leaves a very nasty taste. What a lot of shit stirring scaremongering

Well it's just like a massive whip round in the pub.

No it isn't

For what it's worth I do feel very sorry for the parents, especially Katie. I think it's a very valid point that the fundraiser is also their employer which makes it very difficult for them to ask for all this to stop.

When Katie posted on the FB page asking for it to 'all stop' one person commented "Is she for real?!" Katie was actually referring to the abuse her mother was receiving from Dax supporters but I think the person who commented may have thought she meant the fundraising efforts.

I think the parents are probably between a rock and a hard place at the moment. I wish them and baby Dax well.

crumblebumblebee their living expenses are also being covered by insurance. There is nothing to fund raise for other than nappies (seriously, that's what he has said the money will go towards) and a pram. This is, and always has been, the world's largest baby shower.

Well if some posts were out of order, they should have been deleted. But I do think that we shouldn't just stand idly by while people make a mockery of the general public's kindness and good intentions.

I found the entire thing extremely offensive as I know from experience that the most empathetic and giving people are usually living quite close to the line and will go without to help someone out.

From the start I could not understand why they need funds for the grandparents to visit NY or why the father couldn't return to his job in England. Not ideal, but life isn't ideal for the vast majority of us.

Stop trying to find that hidden gem that will make you (general you, not you personally) the hero of the hour by bringing it to it's knees.

I'm not. I've simply voiced my concern, as I have every right to do. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm only answering your questions and comments to explain my view.

I suspect this will all continue to play out in the public eye for a bit longer, but I do hope there is some accountability in all of it.

different

Did they actually name the friend/relative or just suggest they used the comments on the Dax FB page to find one? It was on one of the removed threads and I can't remember the exact details of it now, just that they didn't want to post a direct link.

It would have been easy enough to get there via plenty of the people on the Dax page who are friends with Dad, no need for specific names. If someone was actually named then I agree that was wrong.

Well if some posts were out of order, they should have been deleted.

Like Richard did? Delete anyone off message? They should certainly be challenged.

different what you seem to be saying is that if an unfortunate event happens in someone's life they are immediate excused from all normal morality or accountability for their actions.

I think to a certain extent that is true, allowances must be made for parents in a stressful position who are caring for a premature newborn and don't have time to think about much beyond the hospital room they're in and the little one they're looking after. So I don't blame the parents at all for anything that has happened.

But I don't think that suspension of morality extends as far as an employer in another country who has no caring responsibilities for the child involved. His dubious employment practices seem to be at the heart of this case, plus he is profiting by taking on the father's clients but doesn't seem to be prepared to pass this on to the father which would presumably cover all his costs in the UK while the insurance covered the. US so there would be no need for public donations.

I don't blame the parents for having a BMW or a nice house, or expensive holidays and hobbies, I'm sure they worked very hard for them. But I do question the morality of a man who is prepared to ask other less well off people to donate towards expenses which they appear to be perfectly capable of meeting them themselves.

I feel sorry for the parents because unless they are entirely shameless this must be embarrassing for them. And it probably isn't very nice for them to have their facebook profiles viewed, but I think the blame for that lies squarely with Richard for garnering so much press attention in order to garner them a level of charity they probably neither, needed, wanted or deserved.

aermingers what are these dubious employment practices that you refer to?

It really is a group of individuals deciding to give these people their money.

That's what it is. You may not agree with it but the reality is that it is up to individuals to decide how to fiend their money. There is a risk that it will be used to fund a less than frugal lifestyle - but that is the risk people take. And the reason that most people prefer to donate to a registered and thus regulated charity.

Agreed Stratters, this thread and the fb group leave a very nasty taste.

There is an element of glee in this herd instinct stampeding around fb, then c&p'ing comments here there and everywhere.

It's extremely unpleasant.

I agree that many of the comments on the Dax fb page seem to prove the old adage that "a fool and his money are easily parted". However posters there seem more than aware now that they are not donating to cover medical expenses. No one in their right mind, after only a cursory study of that group, could draw any conclusion other than that their donation is being used for nebulous "living expenses" which could be anything from nappies and wipes to taxi rides to and from hospital.

However, having this information, I don't see any of the original givers having a problem with any of this.

They want to give their last fiver to pay for a coffee at Starbucks for someone they've never met? Their problem.

As far as posters here and on the Tricky Dicky page are concerned, it's not your money, and if you haven't given, why do you care? If you have given you can ask for your donation to be returned. I think you all need to back off to be honest.

This thread began by raising legitimate concerns. It has now degenerated into unseemly us vs them playground bullying.

Most unedifying.

Agree with usefully. I'm done with this now.

As for 'dubious employment practices' - well I worked on contract for a very large company and only ever had statutory maternity pay. Same for many friends.

It's not uncommon.

This stopped being about that baby a long time ago & became a lot more about his & the parents downfall.

This was never about the baby. No-one anywhere has expressed anything but good wishes for the baby and, mostly, his parents. This has to do with a scam which could, very easily, involve financial abuse of vulnerable adults at the worst and misleading people at the best.

These means of raising money need to stop or at least be regulated properly so that people are made aware of where the money is going.

It is not unreasonable for MN or even NM or a group on FB to start this debate.

This stopped being about that baby a long time ago & became a lot more about his & the parents downfall.

This was never about the baby. No-one anywhere has expressed anything but good wishes for the baby and, mostly, his parents. This has to do with a scam which could, very easily, involve financial abuse of vulnerable adults at the worst and misleading people at the best.

These means of raising money need to stop or at least be regulated properly so that people are made aware of where the money is going.

It is not unreasonable for MN or even NM or a group on FB to start this debate.

A lot of the comments about income came because of a post from one of the family friends.
The friend asked why it was started in the first place as surely the family had enough to pay for everything. The friend even mentioned that the hospital bill could be more than covered by one family member alone. And that a lot of the family are embarrassed by the whole thing. They are flying out and are of course taking things for the 3 of them.

Wish I had screen shot it as suprise suprise its been deleted. It's comments like this that pissed people off amongst others. its these back tracks and deletions that are raising more questions and making the whole thing look shady.

I hope he does go and register as a charity. He is going in to be in for a shock of he thinks the cash can be spent as they please. Even a request for stationary requires a mountain of paper work lol. And yes for them to ask the charity for a pushchair they will also have to include financial records for themselves and these do get audited.

The FB group I have read is chiefly concerned with working out whether police report or a report to some other body on Monday is most appropriate.

But I agree the whole thing gets wearying when childishness and spite creeps in.

Many companies these days take on people as self employed contractors in jobs which really ought to be permanent employees in order to avoid paying sick pay, maternity leave etc. It's just as immoral as 0 hour contracts IMO. With contractors working out specific contracts to complete a task, perhaps acceptable. When the people who are self employed are actually to all intents and purposes fulfilling the role of an employee then less so.

I do disagree with the page and Tricky Dicky's antics.

However, some people seem incredibly over invested in this?

What is the point of a FB group simply to slag him off?

Toughasoldboots

"And I don't believe that a penny would go to charity without people sticking their necks out."

100% agree. All excess money was earmarked as a Trust Fund for the baby before people started putting pressure on to donate to RMH.

If nothing else then at least that's, hopefully, a good outcome from people 'sticking their noses in'. Without that, the charity that has supported the family would most likely have had a token donation out of the funds.

The FB group was created directly after MN pulled the thread last night as people felt that the conversation hadn't finished. Just a bit of context but see what you mean.

I have seen the racial abuse and other comments. I've also seen some pretty nasty comments in the FB group set up by MNers, I had a look in last night, presumably before it became a closed group? When it comes to nasty comments, with the exception of the racial stuff, you're actually pretty even.

Is it really so impossible to accept that someone is simply trying to do something good for someone he knows, but isn't going about it in exactly the way MNers deem acceptable; or that they're not fortunate to have a good level of education, and are less than enlightened when it comes to racism?

I live less than 10 miles away from Burgh le Marsh, and whilst it's a nice enough little village, it is pretty backwards round here. That's NOT excusing anything, merely stating a fact. It's more like the 50's round here, the upside is I rarely lock my door, and the man in the local corner shop goes back to his house next door when he doesn't have a customer, and relies on the door buzzer to alert him to his next one - his stock is pretty safe here, left on its own. The payout for that is some pretty ingrained backwards views, that rarely get challenged. On the other hand, swear in a shop and it will go silent.